2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Lawson even got approval from Jos :-)

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lio007 wrote:
02 Dec 2024, 22:35
Lawson even got approval from Jos :-)
That must be a big negative for Horner. :)
If Jos wants someone in the team, he should speak against him. (half kidding --- I hope)

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venkyhere wrote:
02 Dec 2024, 22:30
venkyhere wrote:
24 Nov 2024, 18:19
venkyhere wrote:
05 Nov 2024, 06:00


Lawson
COTA : +2
Mexico: 0
Brazil: +2

Tsunoda
COTA : 0
Mexico: DNF (no fault of his)
Brazil: +6

3 more to go.
Lawson
COTA : +2
Mexico: 0
Brazil: +2
Vegas: 0

Tsunoda
COTA : 0
Mexico: DNF (no fault of his)
Brazil: +6
Vegas: +2

2 more to go.

Though I like Lawson more for the Redbull seat (a proper fighter type driver), data says Tsunoda is the guy (more finesse and craft from more experience). Anyway, planning to keep totting up this table until after the last race. Let's see what Marko decides.
Lawson
COTA : +2
Mexico: 0
Brazil: +2
Vegas: 0
Qatar: 0

Tsunoda
COTA : 0
Mexico: DNF (no fault of his)
Brazil: +6
Vegas: +2
Qatar: 0

1 more to go.
I'd be more interested in relative quali & race pace personally and whether they got damage during the race :mrgreen: points never tell the whole story

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I've to say I'm quite happy for the team that they are able to turn things around without AN.
Many claimed they are doomed without him. There is indeed the possibility they could have solved it quicker with Adrian on board but also maybe not.

The car is still not great for sure and as we've seen this weekend initially pretty far off the pace but at least they are able to get competitive within a weekend.
Maybe it's been an additional motivating factor for the technical team to prove the critics wrong.
2025 will be very interesting.

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organic wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 00:30
I'd be more interested in relative quali & race pace personally and whether they got damage during the race :mrgreen: points never tell the whole story
I also think it is very difficult to read. As far as I remember every race one of them was completely off in the setup. Additionally it was sometimes bad luck in Q1.
I fear we can not see the real picture.

lio007 wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 09:26
I've to say I'm quite happy for the team that they are able to turn things around without AN.
......
2025 will be very interesting.
In my point of view AN was the game changer when the ground effect was introduced. Surprisingly he was the only one really knowing about purposing or at least had the power to not let this topic slip.
Even though he disagreed from the beginning with this years car, it was actually good at the beginning. They just added too much rear downforce and ruined the balance. Not sure if this would have been different with him in the lead.

So I am not sure if he was a game changer this year, or would be next year.
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Bottas to RBR, calling it now. Watch this space.
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Italiano wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 11:09
Bottas to RBR, calling it now. Watch this space.
I would take it. Bottas is quite good.

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Vettel165 wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 13:13
Italiano wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 11:09
Bottas to RBR, calling it now. Watch this space.
I would take it. Bottas is quite good.
He was good at bringing home 60% of the points Lewis did. He will not have become faster since.
Maybe better than this year's Perez, but not better than a 2022/2023 Perez.

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Italiano wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 11:09
Bottas to RBR, calling it now. Watch this space.
There was an interview with Bottas on this last weekend. He confirmed, that he asked RedBull and they just said "no". I think this case is cold.
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Sergio Perez's Abu Dhabi decision: Bow out or be pushed out

Opinion: Perez must decide if he wants to leave Red Bull on his own terms or force the team to drop him unceremoniously
Christian Nimmervoll
Dec 3, 2024, 11:52 AM

There is a lot to suggest that Sergio Perez's Formula 1 career will come to an end in a week's time.

On Sunday evening in Qatar, Red Bull bosses Christian Horner and Helmut Marko for the first time clearly gave the impression that the decision had at least then been as good as made if they alone could make it.

"We will fully support him until the chequered flag drops in Abu Dhabi. Whatever he decides after that is ultimately his decision," Horner says in an interview with Sky. "He's old enough and wise enough to draw his own conclusions. But there's still one race to go. Now let's get Abu Dhabi out of the way and then we'll see where we stand."

It sounds as if Horner almost wishes Perez would step down on his own. And it's noteworthy that he speaks in the past tense when he says, "Checo has been a great driver for us. He helped us win the constructors' championship in 2022 and 2023, and Max's drivers' title in 2021. And he's a great guy. But the situation he's in is not a nice one, and he knows the pressure in this business."

Horner elegantly dodges questions on the subject. The fact that Perez himself is suddenly supposed to be the one to make the decision is new. So what if the 34-year-old insists on his contract for 2025 and absolutely wants to continue?
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TimW wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 13:33
Vettel165 wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 13:13
Italiano wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 11:09
Bottas to RBR, calling it now. Watch this space.
I would take it. Bottas is quite good.
He was good at bringing home 60% of the points Lewis did. He will not have become faster since.
Maybe better than this year's Perez, but not better than a 2022/2023 Perez.
Indeed. And Bottas has also shown a tendency to drop the ball later in the season. He's a nice guy I guess, but no alternative to the current situation.
Really I only see "go with Yuki for a year, if it doesn't work, Lawson is up next" as a feasible path. Unless Lawson is demolished by whoever would be his partner at VCARB of course.

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DChemTech wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 14:09
Really I only see "go with Yuki for a year, if it doesn't work, Lawson is up next" as a feasible path.
Unless Lawson is demolished by whoever would be his partner at VCARB of course.
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I completely agree to that.
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Wouter wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 15:15
DChemTech wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 14:09
Really I only see "go with Yuki for a year, if it doesn't work, Lawson is up next" as a feasible path.
Unless Lawson is demolished by whoever would be his partner at VCARB of course.
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I completely agree to that.
Hmmm...me not.
Fells like doing the same error again. They promoted Albon and Gasly in the same way. Both underdelivered.
And with throwing each of them out again, they did not improve the situation.

Whoever they put in...in my point of view needs a both sided commitment to stand together for two years. To give the driver time to develop and to avoid this vicious circle.
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Chances for Abu Dhabi? Their DRS was very powerful in Qatar. There are back to back DRS zones in Abu Dhabi.
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basti313 wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 15:51
Wouter wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 15:15
DChemTech wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 14:09
Really I only see "go with Yuki for a year, if it doesn't work, Lawson is up next" as a feasible path.
Unless Lawson is demolished by whoever would be his partner at VCARB of course.
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I completely agree to that.
Hmmm...me not.
Fells like doing the same error again. They promoted Albon and Gasly in the same way. Both underdelivered.
And with throwing each of them out again, they did not improve the situation.

Whoever they put in...in my point of view needs a both sided commitment to stand together for two years. To give the driver time to develop and to avoid this vicious circle.
Perhaps a 2y commitment would help (although Checo did sort of have that commitment... and in fact got multiple seasons, thus breaking the cycle to a degree) but we also have to be realistic in that there is noone lined up that is considered as a future long-term potential. There's no Lando, Charles or Max 1.5 on the direct horizon. So I can very well imagine the team being hesitant. But, I do agree that whoever it is, make it a full year commitment instead of pulling the plug halfway. The treatment of Gasly, Albon and for that matter de Vries was brutal and unnecessary, and at least 2/3 got a quite decent run after they were dropped by RB still.