2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Paa
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So they took the easy route. :D

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Paa wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 23:10
This was pretty much observed/confirmed since the beginning of the season.

What I would like to understand is why Red Bull expected the RB20 to be better with kerbs than RB19?

This is what they expected/promised and they were surprised it was not the case, but I don't get why? This is expected with the design they chose.
Isn't it explained by the Marko quote? They made design decisions that when applied in the simulator gave good behaviour. Then they put that design on track and it behaves another way. Simulator correlation issues
“Our basic problem is not track-specific. The correlation between the simulator and the track does not work,”

“On the simulator, we drive over the curbs without any problems, and here, the car jumps like a kangaroo. That is where we have to start.
Much of the discussion early in 2024 about rb20 performance wasn't about any aero weakness, but about the vehicle dynamics being much worse than expected and was highlighted a lot in the miami/Monaco/Imola/Canada period. I think we had concrete statements that the simulator was the issue as early as Monaco

Think we only started talking about aero issues from Silverstone onwards

At Canada Marko claimed the team had identified the issue with the car which I interpret to mean the mechanical issues with the car and on the same weekend tracking stickers appear on the pullrod - perhaps their simulation wasn't modelling the dynamics of the pullrod flexing during kerbstrikes which resulted in the correlation issues
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To me it seems plausible that they got to the bottom of the simulator-real world kerbstriking difference towards the early part of the season (of course can't actually solve the front suspension problem mid season) and possibly only then realized it wasn't the big performance limitation they thought it was.. having to then go down the aero rabbit hole after the summer break culminating in the cota upgrades

I really don't expect the same kerbing issues next time around (fingers crossed!)

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Paa wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 23:58
So they took the easy route. :D
Not expecting Lawson to fair much better than Perez.
Honda!

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If the board decide who will drive for redbull then yuki have a chance .they decided during summer to end relation with ric and return vcarb to a junior team.yuki has survived the pressure and intimidation of redbull junior program ,he goes into a season with only one contract and is expected to sink or swim boom or bust .he survived all the time.If you ask Horner he will tell you yuki is a very quick driver ,you can read between the lines what that really means in the grand scheme of things

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Bill wrote:
04 Dec 2024, 17:43
If the board decide who will drive for redbull then yuki have a chance .they decided during summer to end relation with ric and return vcarb to a junior team.yuki has survived the pressure and intimidation of redbull junior program ,he goes into a season with only one contract and is expected to sink or swim boom or bust .he survived all the time.If you ask Horner he will tell you yuki is a very quick driver ,you can read between the lines what that really means in the grand scheme of things
I think Yuki probably deserves it.

His pace I think if good enough to warrant ti but the pressure of being Max's team mate I would be concerned about.I think even now it has been the one little issue with Yuki at VCarb let alone what it would be like at RBR against the team pressure and Max. But admit he probably deserves a chance sink or swim.