2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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I mean it was very obvious that it was past the gray area, only people defending it were McLaren fans. Sucks to think about Baku really... that was likely a 30 point swing(14 if Charles won ahead of Piastri, 12 for Sainz holding P4 and then Norris would have lost 4 points as well if there was no crash).

This also helped them tremendously in Monza and Spa as well, could have been even better for us then. Either way, the focus is now onto Abu Dhabi. The last rear limited, high degradation circuit we went to was COTA and we dominated there, gotta hope for more of the same.

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Apparently we will go ‘extreme’ in Abu Dhabi: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10678937/

Meaning:
1) very low setup for max downforce given smooth surface
2) Sainz also using the new floor (I guess they have spares!)
3) squeezing everything from the PU inc some kind of hybrid “attack map” (whatever that means!)

I always find these types of things a bit spurious as it implies they’re usually leaving a margin but maybe they are just risking more this time since there’s nothing to lose/everything to gain.

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f1316 wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 19:05

3) squeezing everything from the PU inc some kind of hybrid “attack map” (whatever that means!)

Maybe on SAI but considering the amount of KM on LECs unit it might be a bad idea but they've got all the data so hopefully it works out

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f1316 wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 19:05
Apparently we will go ‘extreme’ in Abu Dhabi: https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10678937/

Meaning:
1) very low setup for max downforce given smooth surface
2) Sainz also using the new floor (I guess they have spares!)
3) squeezing everything from the PU inc some kind of hybrid “attack map” (whatever that means!)

I always find these types of things a bit spurious as it implies they’re usually leaving a margin but maybe they are just risking more this time since there’s nothing to lose/everything to gain.
An interesting tidbit from that article which caught my attention:

Sainz was unimpressed with the new floor in Vegas and rejected it, while Leclerc immediately took to it.

Is there any further discussion/speculation as to why that may be the case? Obviously Leclerc and Sainz have very different driving styles, so it would make sense that may not take the same liking to the same upgrade(s).

Edit: The article also claims that the floor changes mandated at Vegas impacted Ferrari's performance, while Vasseur has previously claimed that would not be the case. Is Nugnes talking out his ass, or did Vasseur underestimate the impact of this new rule?

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catent wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 20:21
An interesting tidbit from that article which caught my attention:

Sainz was unimpressed with the new floor in Vegas and rejected it, while Leclerc immediately took to it.

Is there any further discussion/speculation as to why that may be the case? Obviously Leclerc and Sainz have very different driving styles, so it would make sense that may not take the same liking to the same upgrade(s).

Edit: The article also claims that the floor changes mandated at Vegas impacted Ferrari's performance, while Vasseur has previously claimed that would not be the case. Is Nugnes talking out his ass, or did Vasseur underestimate the impact of this new rule?
I'm confused about Sainz supposedly rejecting the floor for two reasons:

1. The Autosport article about the floor last week said Sainz had positive reviews of it.
2. If Sainz hated it that much, why would they force him to use it? Vasseur has said many times this year that driver confidence and comfort is worth more than car efficiency.

deadhead wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 19:49
Maybe on SAI but considering the amount of KM on LECs unit it might be a bad idea but they've got all the data so hopefully it works out
Well, this is the last time they'll use it, so they might as well push it to the very limit.

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What’s the current engine usage across the grid, anyone has the table?

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Duchessa of now AutoRacer says there will not be a new floor for Sainz and that they will still need to do tests in Yas Marina with the new floor to see if it will be used.

The new floor is more stable in the high speed corners, which Abu Dhabi doesn't really have.

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SoulPancake13 wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 21:46
Duchessa of now AutoRacer says there will not be a new floor for Sainz and that they will still need to do tests in Yas Marina with the new floor to see if it will be used.

The new floor is more stable in the high speed corners, which Abu Dhabi doesn't really have.
Thank you for sharing. This one is much more believable than the Nugnes article.

https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-solo-un ... a-valutare

At Las Vegas, Ferrari introduced an experimental floor, not intended to be a performance-enhancing element for the SF-24 but rather for correlation testing after increasing the frontal section in the wind tunnel. The floor’s edges were completely redesigned, aiming to synchronize the airflow from the front tires with the downstream flow of the car. While it did not enhance outright speed since the standard floor was already very effective in slow corners, it offered improvements in drivability during high-speed turns, which both drivers appreciated. This opened the door for its use in Qatar.

Carlos Sainz’s feedback was positive regarding confidence in the car, with data confirming that, while the overall downforce remained similar, the new floor altered how it generated downforce and reached its peak. This resulted in greater confidence, particularly in corners above 200 km/h. While Las Vegas had few such high-speed sections and they were not critical to performance, Lusail’s circuit was dominated by them. For this reason, Ferrari chose to equip Charles Leclerc’s SF-24 with the floor, validating the observations from America and using it throughout the weekend with calculated risks.

At Abu Dhabi, the experimental floor will again be available, but there will be no second spare unit. This detail is significant and presents a greater risk at the Yas Marina Circuit, which has more critical run-off areas. Furthermore, only Turn 3 is very fast, while the track mostly features tight, slow corners. Engineers believe the standard SF-24 setup should be equally competitive on straights and medium-slow corners (with the exception of Turn 5 and Turn 10, which have wider radii).

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dialtone wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 21:22
What’s the current engine usage across the grid, anyone has the table?
Here's the table for the ICEs:

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did the repair leclerc no2 engine?

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Fakepivot wrote:
04 Dec 2024, 12:57
did the repair leclerc no2 engine?
the table only shows the race a new element was introduced, not what parts are still usable. That data is not available.

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search wrote:
dialtone wrote:
03 Dec 2024, 21:22
What’s the current engine usage across the grid, anyone has the table?
Here's the table for the ICEs:

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Thank you!

Looks like Ferrari and Mercedes built a fairly reliable engine. Honda instead seems to need to make some progress reliability wise.

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Fakepivot wrote:
04 Dec 2024, 12:57
did the repair leclerc no2 engine?
I don't think so. If they did it's likely his practice engine.
dialtone wrote:
04 Dec 2024, 18:09

Thank you!

Looks like Ferrari and Mercedes built a fairly reliable engine. Honda instead seems to need to make some progress reliability wise.
It's crazy that Leclerc is doing so well this season and hasn't had to take a penalty despite effectively having 3 only engines. Also it's crazy what a tank the Ferrari engine has become after the failures in 2022 and Leclerc having to take an engine penalty literally by race 2 in 2023.

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Leclerc's no 2 PU was taken care of after Monaco, it was reported on several media outlets and here as well. It was a minor issue that required an intervention in the factory, couldn't be solved in the garage. There's no chance any team could run on 3 PUs only, that's 33% longer life span than they are designed for

Both Leclerc and Sainz were on target to use 4 PUs and the team took their chance to give Sainz a new PU in Brasil due to poor starting position only
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it is odd that leclerc has been quite lucky this year.. very Unusal...
Soo I predict he will be on course to win but his engine will go PUFFF this weekend..