2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[chrisc90]

Im sure RBR wil have greater say in what Yuki does rather than Honda.

Sure Yuki will know this too. IF, he does get a offer, it would be very silly for any 'lower team' member to pass the opportunity to drive for a front running team

[taperoo2k]

Listening to Christian Horner he doesn’t sound convinced about Max’s team mate next year does he.

I think the reality is on merit it’s Yuki- but he’s a Honda man and I think they (RBR) don’t treat him the same as their usual stable drivers. Lawson has done okay, but it’s early days and they can’t say he’s earned it yet. A full season in the junior team will do him good.

They've messed around too much with the young drivers, and now only have a few candidates to choose from.
I'd put Yuki in the car, I somehow can't see Lawson playing second fiddle to Max for long.

Does anyone else get this weird feeling we might see Danny Ricc on a one year deal kicking off in Australia next season?

While I'd like to see that, I'm sort of expecting he might sign for Cadillac in '26.

Either way the elephant in the room for Redbull remains finding a replacement for Max ahead of him leaving for another team or retiring from F1 to race in other categories. I don't doubt Max when he says he wants to retire from F1 before he's past his prime for other motorsports.

[taperoo2k]

Agree, apart from:

"he has no 'stake' in this race anyway"

Because he is not a part in the (lets be hounest, completely overhyped) WCC, doens't mean he has no 'stake'. All 20 driver are racing for the same 'stake', finishing as close to p1 as possible. Otherwise they better do something else that day. It is every drivers right to attempt an overtake, whether the other is in some sort of battle for a championship is irrelevant.

He wasn't smart about how he raced at the start; he was never going to overtake Oscar, you could see the contact coming a mile off. If you want to win races as I think Murray Walker once said, “In order to finish first, you first have to finish”. Max won't do that if he keeps diving up the inside and contact takes place. He's been fortunate so far that he's not taken himself out of races entirely with his rash overtake attempts.

Maybe they are not as rash as you make them out to be. Tbh that stick your nose in maneuver is not like Max at all, Lewis has had many more of these types of incidents for example. He usually sends it much harder which actually avoids collisions (it ends up cars avoiding and running of track etc).

I've been watching F1 since the '90's. Max is as rash as Jos was, though Max has way more talent. As for Lewis? He can still be rash, but he's honed his racecraft over the years. I think if Max were to be more patient, he'd likely make better overtakes and not risk spinning off the track.

[Watto]

I think is Max was probably half a meter closer on the approach the move probably gets made Oscar left the door well and truly open do that too often and he is going to find himself in the same position again. I don't think the move was that bad but the penalty was also deserved.


If the move by Max was made a few laps into the race I think its a pretty clear penalty. Just a little grey on first lap/corner.

[Rodak]

While I'd like to see that, I'm sort of expecting he might sign for Cadillac in '26.

Daniel back in F1 will never happen, but how long is a super license good for if you don't race? If you don't race for two years do you lose it? How do you get it back, run in a free practice?

[CHT]

He wasn't smart about how he raced at the start; he was never going to overtake Oscar, you could see the contact coming a mile off. If you want to win races as I think Murray Walker once said, “In order to finish first, you first have to finish”. Max won't do that if he keeps diving up the inside and contact takes place. He's been fortunate so far that he's not taken himself out of races entirely with his rash overtake attempts.

Maybe they are not as rash as you make them out to be. Tbh that stick your nose in maneuver is not like Max at all, Lewis has had many more of these types of incidents for example. He usually sends it much harder which actually avoids collisions (it ends up cars avoiding and running of track etc).

I've been watching F1 since the '90's. Max is as rash as Jos was, though Max has way more talent. As for Lewis? He can still be rash, but he's honed his racecraft over the years. I think if Max were to be more patient, he'd likely make better overtakes and not risk spinning off the track.

Yes just like what happened at Brazil 24

[sp8472]

Listening to Christian Horner he doesn’t sound convinced about Max’s team mate next year does he.

I think the reality is on merit it’s Yuki- but he’s a Honda man and I think they (RBR) don’t treat him the same as their usual stable drivers. Lawson has done okay, but it’s early days and they can’t say he’s earned it yet. A full season in the junior team will do him good.

Does anyone else get this weird feeling we might see Danny Ricc on a one year deal kicking off in Australia next season?

I thought Daniel looked to be too happy when he left. Could not help but feel some deal had been struck. What does Red Bull have to loose. He would take a 1 yr contract. He simply can’t do worse than Perez. Max will be a happy driver. He and Daniel get along better than any other drive Max has been paired with. Daniel would be happy being number 2 now. Getting podiums, picking up the odd race win and generally being in a competitive car would be a good outcome for him.

Red Bull then get a driver for one year and they can then reevaluate leading into 2026 and take advantage of any driver market opportunities that may arise.


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[venkyhere]

IMHO, Redbull should stop dithering about and fix Tsunoda or Lawson.
In 2026 there is going to an entirely new variable, the car itself. A big one.
The team wouldn't want another variable called 'driver' at that point in time.
Going for a '2025 contract only' driver would be severely suboptimal, backed up by the fact that no other team has a 2025-expiring driver contract.

What do they have to lose in 2025 ? it's going to be a 'gap year' for almost all teams in terms of engineering these set of regulations - it wouldn't be anything revolutionary, what every team is going to bring in 2025, it would all be an 'extension'. Why not use the time to focus on the 2nd driver, help his development in the Redbull seat, and have a stabilized bunch of drivers going into 2026 ? Even someone like Verstappen is 'developing' as a driver with every passing year. Someone like Tsunoda/Lawson will immensely benefit, and more importantly, they will stay loyal to the team. It's so much better than parachuting in a 'contactor' driver.

Moreover, it's not that Tsunoda/Lawson are slow drivers, they have been finishing on par or above the 2nd Redbull driven by Perez, and more importantly haven't made self-DNF-ing mistakes. The core philosophy in Redbull has been in drafting in drivers from their development program, and it has brought success to them. All 8 of their championships are from such drivers. Stick to it with confidence, they know how to 'train' their drivers, even in the senior team.

[Italiano]

Lawson in, Hadjar to VCARB.

[Henk_v]

If you look at the Piastri onbroard, you can clearly see he had his eyes on Sainz on the right and just did not look in his mirror. I won't discuss the penalty, but Piastri just blindly steering into T1 without looking cost him his position. Wether or not the verstappen move was a reason for penalty was decided in the meters where Verstappen was already alongside. Had he been just 1 meter ahead, he would have had the corner.

The crash was due to Piastri not looking in his mirror and (stupidly) not expecting verstappen there. Had he looked in his left mirror, he would have closed the door. He left the door open for a car and then steered in as if there was no car.

Also be mindful Verstappen was clearly attempting to avoid contact, but had to steer clear of the high curbstone on the inside. Piastri just never saw him.

So getting the rulebook out, verstappen was right to be penalized, but practically is was Piastri that caused the collision.

[r85]

If you look at the Piastri onbroard, you can clearly see he had his eyes on Sainz on the right and just did not look in his mirror. I won't discuss the penalty, but Piastri just blindly steering into T1 without looking cost him his position. Wether or not the verstappen move was a reason for penalty was decided in the meters where Verstappen was already alongside. Had he been just 1 meter ahead, he would have had the corner.

The crash was due to Piastri not looking in his mirror and (stupidly) not expecting verstappen there. Had he looked in his left mirror, he would have closed the door. He left the door open for a car and then steered in as if there was no car.

Also be mindful Verstappen was clearly attempting to avoid contact, but had to steer clear of the high curbstone on the inside. Piastri just never saw him.

So getting the rulebook out, verstappen was right to be penalized, but practically is was Piastri that caused the collision.

I think it's a bit like Budapest. Even if Piastri had looked to the left he would still be allowed to make the corner just like Lewis in Hungary.

It was an ambitious move by Max considering it's not a spot for overtakes, but he couldn't have done anything else to avoid it. More of a racing incident if anything.

[Vettel165]

Who cares Max won the WDC, thats the most important thing, title was decided in Brasil. Bring on 2025.

[marcel171281]

If we want to analyze the VER-PIA collision technically, it's a clear 10s penalty. The rules are there, and VER wasn't ahead at the apex. PIA had left enough room for VER to dive, brake, and avoid.

If we want to analyze the same thing philosophically, VER should grow up and show some maturity, he has no 'stake' in this race anyway, particularly lap1. If he harbored plans to win it, there is no need for so much risk in T1, especially since redbull had setup the car for 'overtaking in the straights'. It was a blunder move. As for PIA, he shouldn't be so naive and 'leave the door open' for someone like VER, who is not going to pull out of an attempted move, who is the kind of driver to use bravery as a weapon, much like Senna did, putting the 'do you want to crash, I am coming into the wedge anyway' dilemma into the other guy. It's a way of mental warfare. And even after PIA did leave the door open (maybe to defend the center of the track), he should have known it's VER and that 'cutting into the apex' racing line is just inviting trouble.

So PIA is faultless technically, VER is at fault technically. Philosophically both are at fault.

Agree, apart from:

"he has no 'stake' in this race anyway"

Because he is not a part in the (lets be hounest, completely overhyped) WCC, doens't mean he has no 'stake'. All 20 driver are racing for the same 'stake', finishing as close to p1 as possible. Otherwise they better do something else that day. It is every drivers right to attempt an overtake, whether the other is in some sort of battle for a championship is irrelevant.

He wasn't smart about how he raced at the start; he was never going to overtake Oscar, you could see the contact coming a mile off. If you want to win races as I think Murray Walker once said, “In order to finish first, you first have to finish”. Max won't do that if he keeps diving up the inside and contact takes place. He's been fortunate so far that he's not taken himself out of races entirely with his rash overtake attempts.

You had no idea what I wrote and ment did you?

I said it is nonsense that he had no 'stake' in this race. That is like saying a driver no longer involved in a championship battle is not allowed to attack others that still are. I said I agreed with the rest of that post, so why do you try to explain that part to me again?

[Henk_v]

I think it's a bit like Budapest. Even if Piastri had looked to the left he would still be allowed to make the corner just like Lewis in Hungary.

If he had looked in his mirror he would have defended the corner and max would have never been there. He was fully focussed on sainz and saw verstappen too late. If you look at the onboard from max you'll see he did not understeer into piastri but had to avoid a high curbstone piastri pushed him in. If piastri was aware of max there he would have never squeezed him like that as being taken out was unavoidable.

[Juzh]

Max has to go next 11 races without accumulating 4 more points or else he gets to sit one out. I think if we get a 2024 style competition there's almost zero chance he can avoid this scenario. We've now seen way too often he simply will not yield no matter the circumstances.