2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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lio007 wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 22:33
organic wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 22:04
https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-red-bul ... son-65234/
The problem: Red Bull team boss Christian Horner had deleted a performance clause in Perez's new contract, which ran until the end of 2025, and this now came back to haunt him. Red Bull therefore had to pay Perez a severance payment. According to F1-Insisder.com research, this is said to be around 15 million euros.
Red Bull chief advisor Helmut Marko (81) to F1-Insider.com : "The engineers presented comparative figures, which we used as the basis for the decision. In principle, it was a luxury problem; both would have deserved the promotion. But Lawson may have more room for improvement in the future. His mental strength in particular was the deciding factor in the end."
https://racingnews365.com/perez-guarant ... act-clause
Sergio Perez now has no way of fulfilling one of the rumoured performance clauses in his Red Bull contract.

The Mexican driver is facing an uncertain few weeks as his disappointing run of form means he can no longer reach the F1 summer break within 100 points of Max Verstappen in the drivers' standings.

RacingNews365 understands this is one of the stipulations laid out in his recently-extended deal with the Milton Keynes team.
To make matters worse for the Mexican, another one of his rumoured contract clauses is that he must be within five places of his team-mate in the drivers' championship come the summer break.
:D :D

Peak F1 reporting right there. 2 not so great sources but fits whatever narrative people want to subscribe to.
Call a spade, a spade.

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organic wrote:
20 Dec 2024, 06:08
Interesting that Lawson describes the current red bull car as "very, very aggressive" in terms of its handling characteristics in one of his recent interviews
Probably shocked the thing is stiff as a forklift :lol:

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Helmut Marko,Christian Horner you are reading this right.
Red Bull made a mistake in promoting Liam, he who would have taken out Perez and Yuki in their own home races.

Liam doesn't deserve a potential racing winning Honda powered car, Yuki does. I hope the self destruct button on the Honda PUs work every time.

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venkyhere wrote:
12 Oct 2024, 08:23
Lawson is yet to sharpen his skills, because that can come only from real life experience. Yuki has had more than enough 'soak time' in F1 (thanks to Honda) that his skill level has plateau-ed already. If Lawson finishes behind Yuki for the remaining 6 races, and for that reason alone isn't given the RedBull seat, it wouldn't be a fair assessment, because if just after half a season Lawson is suddenly driving better than Yuki, he would be wasted in the VCARB, where he could have served better in a faster Redbull instead.
I posted this slightly more than 2 months ago ; and promptly drew a lot of flak in this thread.
Now I feel vindicated. Lawson is 'raw enough' to be moulded into a 'leading pack' driver. He has that 'I wont let you pass easily' mindset already, it's natural to him. He can become 'polished' in 2025, because as far as RedBull are concerned, this is the 'gap year' before the real competition begins in 2026. That is exactly what a team like Redbull wants for the 2nd seat - a guy who will be thankful to be given the seat, a guy who will not demand anything above 2nd driver status (atleast for a few years anyway), and a guy whose 'faults' in his driving style are not set in concrete yet, and can be 'unlearned'.

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ispano6 wrote:
20 Dec 2024, 09:12
Helmut Marko,Christian Horner you are reading this right.
Red Bull made a mistake in promoting Liam, he who would have taken out Perez and Yuki in their own home races.
As if Horner and co look at this forum, other than an intern looking for possible leaks.
Liam doesn't deserve a potential racing winning Honda powered car, Yuki does. I hope the self destruct button on the Honda PUs work every time.
Honda are not in the business of making the brand look bad by making Power Units blow up. It's clear Yuki will likely never race for Redbull. Not unless events take a different turn.

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Yuki was never going to get the seat as long as Horner is boss. Yuki is at the junior team just to please Honda just enough.
Yuki will most likely will be replaced when Honda leaves RB in 2026.

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The negative yin yang here really isn't a good look.

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taperoo2k wrote:
20 Dec 2024, 21:16
As if Horner and co look at this forum, other than an intern looking for possible leaks. .
You’d be surprised… There was once actually a camera shot of someone sitting on a pit wall with the F1 technical forum page open on a Computer screen

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They didn’t choose Yuki because could you imagine Max and Yuki on the radio with how much they both swear? The FIA would have sent them on community service so much that they won’t have time to race lol

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the EDGE wrote:
21 Dec 2024, 00:06
taperoo2k wrote:
20 Dec 2024, 21:16
As if Horner and co look at this forum, other than an intern looking for possible leaks. .
You’d be surprised… There was once actually a camera shot of someone sitting on a pit wall with the F1 technical forum page open on a Computer screen
Now that is cool!!
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ToffeeTyres wrote:
21 Dec 2024, 13:40
They didn’t choose Yuki because could you imagine Max and Yuki on the radio with how much they both swear? The FIA would have sent them on community service so much that they won’t have time to race lol
I don't believe the FIA has an issue with drivers swearing on the team radio. They bleep it out and, frankly, if they had an issue with it, simply don't broadcast that radio clip.
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WardenOfTheNorth wrote:
21 Dec 2024, 13:43
the EDGE wrote:
21 Dec 2024, 00:06
taperoo2k wrote:
20 Dec 2024, 21:16
As if Horner and co look at this forum, other than an intern looking for possible leaks. .
You’d be surprised… There was once actually a camera shot of someone sitting on a pit wall with the F1 technical forum page open on a Computer screen
Now that is cool!!
Was AMR I believe when the GE era set first started in 2022 testing period.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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chrisc90 wrote:
21 Dec 2024, 13:47
WardenOfTheNorth wrote:
21 Dec 2024, 13:43
the EDGE wrote:
21 Dec 2024, 00:06


You’d be surprised… There was once actually a camera shot of someone sitting on a pit wall with the F1 technical forum page open on a Computer screen
Now that is cool!!
Was AMR I believe when the GE era set first started in 2022 testing period.
More specifically, spying on the RB19 during the 2023 tests :D @organic

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ispano6 wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 17:18
restless wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 14:55
Why Lawson is preferred over Tsunoda? He did not prove to be the faster driver.
Another "political" decision. RB is going downward in every aspect.
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Honda is very upset, that this partnership didn't result in Yuki driving for the main team. Horner is the spiteful husband after the divorce.
He will pay for this.
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Well, Honda/HRC/Watanabe were/still are not amused at all when they got the news from Horner Yuki didn't get the seat from Checo.

Original photo:

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New photo on their Tweet when they knew Liam Lawson would get Perez's seat.
"A big thank you to Perez". They cut Horner from the photo.




And also Daniel Ricciardo deleted >320 photos from Horner from his IG after the announcement of Liam and he is still deleting!

https://www.instagram.com/danielricciardo/
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Wouter wrote:
21 Dec 2024, 18:56
ispano6 wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 17:18
restless wrote:
19 Dec 2024, 14:55
Why Lawson is preferred over Tsunoda? He did not prove to be the faster driver.
Another "political" decision. RB is going downward in every aspect.
.
Honda is very upset, that this partnership didn't result in Yuki driving for the main team. Horner is the spiteful husband after the divorce.
He will pay for this.
.
Well, Honda/HRC/Watanabe were/still are not amused at all when they got the news from Horner Yuki didn't get the seat from Checo.

Original photo:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GfSEwAoWUAA ... name=small

New photo on their Tweet when they knew Liam Lawson would get Perez's seat.
"A big thank you to Perez". They cut Horner from the photo.




And also Daniel Ricciardo deleted >320 photos from Horner from his IG after the announcement of Liam and he is still deleting!

https://www.instagram.com/danielricciardo/
Why are you so upset and annoyed that Yuki didn't get the seat?

And why on earth should Red Bull please Honda for the long term? It's been Honda that initially jumped the ship. It's (unfortunately) the last year of this very successful partnership and it's time for Red Bull to think about what they believe is best for them.
We all have to accept the decision and move on.

I don't also get your dislike against Horner?
You know that the shareholders and Helmut Marko have been involved in the driver decision as well. I get the impression you think Christian played the main role that Yuki was not promoted (forgive me if I'm wrong).

CH was/is a big supporter of Riccardo. It's more or less down to him that Daniel got a second chance in F1.
BTW, I'm quite impressed you can share such a specific number how many Horner-photos Daniel has deleted.

Don't get me wrong, I'm just curious why you are so angry.