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As we all know at this point: talk is cheap.

VER is in a comfortable situation. If RBR is competitive in 2026, he has no reason for a switch, if they are uncompetitive, he can use his opt out clause and switch team. And no talk or rumour from or about a team in 2025 will influence this decision.

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Aston Martin's revolution for Alonso to win the World Cup: "It's the only goal"
The British team has revolutionized its top management to face a 2025 of growth and land in 2026 with full options to fight for everything

With names and surnames. Without cutting a hair . Aston Martin will no longer return to Formula 1 as a mere supporting actor, something that seemed disappointing at the end of 2024. The factory took off in 2023 and Fernando Alonso came close to winning (Monaco, perhaps, was the great opportunity). But in 2024 it hit rock bottom, only the miracles of the Asturian were the lifeline of a stricken ship. It is not acceptable. Neither for the driver who has shown the best hands in the Grand Circus nor for an ambitious factory in every corner. For this reason, its revolution has taken shape. Melbourne, at the beginning of 2025, is the first test. And in 2026, the dream and the objective arrive. "To be a team that wins the World Championship," repeat its main names.

The ambition is full. Something logical from the vision of the multimillionaire Lawrence Stroll as director. His obsession is for his son Lance to be champion, and before that comes being able to give Fernando Alonso the best results with the green. To do this, the Silverstone team reinforced the weakest positions, seeking progression and a dream that no one hides with the 2026 regulations to be exploited. "Expectations will be high," said Alonso himself on Dazn. It should be remembered that in the new reality of the premier category, more freedom will be allowed in aerodynamics, there is a lot of difference in the wings compared to the current ones and it has a more powerful MGU-K.

First and last names

No change at Aston Martin is as important as the arrival of Adrian Newey. The most prestigious engineer of all time arrives as a great technical guru, capable of revolutionising any team, as he demonstrated in his last stage at Red Bull. Although he will not start working in a real way until March, more or less, his vision will be key to understanding the evolutions of the 2025 car, the work with the wind tunnel that is already in an advanced calibration phase and the search for success in 2026. There he will try to design a winning car, exploiting the new regulations to the limit and working with the modifications that will mark the new cars. In addition, his word is law. Without his support, few things (or nothing) are done.

Newey is the backbone from which the other new features are born. One is Enrico Cardile, who has arrived from Ferrari as the new technical director. He comes after leaving the Italian factory in clear progression during 2024 and will be in charge of creating the car of the future. "He will oversee the architecture, design and construction," they said in their official statement. The mission is, with the addition of Honda as a supplier of the power unit, to quickly adapt to the new regulations. Without neglecting 2025.

There is more. The visible heads of the last project (Mike Krack, Dan Fallows or Tom McCullogh) disappear from the front line. And they add another expert, inside and out, on how to make a winning team, the British engineer Andy Cowell. He will be the team boss after his success with Mercedes. There he was the great leader of the success of the team with the star in the hybrid era, as he was fundamental in the creation and development of their engines. On the track, there was dominance with Lewis Hamilton or Nico Rosberg. "Building a team that wins the World Championship is our only objective," he says. There is no limit.
Building a team that wins the World Cup is our only goal

Andy Cowell

He will have the power to carry out that revolution . From the part of the organization and implementation of improvements, where Aston Martin must change a 2024 in which it brought, race after race, a lot and improved nothing . To one of its strong points: the engine. With Honda, which comes from dominating alongside Red Bull and Max Verstappen, as an ally. "We can't give Lance and Fernando a car that's fast on the straights, we have to give them a car that's fast in the corners, a car that's fast everywhere, a car that's faster than anyone else. Can you imagine if we gave them a winning car...", he confessed.

Alonso factor

And then there's the Fernando Alonso factor . No one doubts his involvement or his ability to remain among the best. They will give him, theoretically, competent tools to face the battle for everything. And he will not fail, something that F1 knows. "He is relentless. If you give him the chance to win, he will not screw up. If you give him the chance, he will succeed . Don't worry," Paul Monaghan confessed to DAZN. He is the chief engineer at Red Bull. That says it all.
https://www.marca.com/motor/formula1/20 ... etivo.html

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Bill wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 15:13
KimiRai wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 14:44
peewon wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 14:06


Thats interesting. Both Toto and Russell have said very optimistic things about their PU. Them and Ferrari are by far the most advanced in terms of development of the new PU. Another point of reference that supports it the fact that Alpine chose to go with Mercedes as their supplier.
I don't agree with him on that, I think Max will eventually come to Aston. I could be wrong though, of course.
Them and ferrari are the most advance in terms of developments?can you explain how you came to that conclusion,or just because those 2 have have high opinion of their brands then they must be all great and wonderful.japanese companies leads in hybrid and toyota are the best in wec .the tech will be similar to wec.
Its not just Mercedes people who have been optimistic. Williams (Albon and Vowels) have both said the same thing and renewed their deal with Merc. As did Alpine. Nate Saunders said on a podcast that at least one rival team believes they will have the best PU. Formula uno reported in 2023 that Mercedes was ahead of everyone by a few months.

From Nov'23: https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1040367/1 ... evelopment

More recent: https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/the-wh ... unit-call/



Ferrari already had the prototype on the test bench at the end of 2023.

https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1b ... r-unit-sj4

Compared that to Honda who was still hiring people mid 2024 and was only testing with a one cylinder version till then.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/honda ... /10605005/

Red Bull (Marko) has made big claims but nobody from the outside has seconded that opinion so cant say. Audi is said to be struggling.

Obvious disclaimer is that no one can actually know till cars hit the track but I would be surprised if the actual scenario is drastically different.

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peewon wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 20:53
Bill wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 15:13
KimiRai wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 14:44


I don't agree with him on that, I think Max will eventually come to Aston. I could be wrong though, of course.
Them and ferrari are the most advance in terms of developments?can you explain how you came to that conclusion,or just because those 2 have have high opinion of their brands then they must be all great and wonderful.japanese companies leads in hybrid and toyota are the best in wec .the tech will be similar to wec.
Its not just Mercedes people who have been optimistic. Williams (Albon and Vowels) have both said the same thing and renewed their deal with Merc. As did Alpine. Nate Saunders said on a podcast that at least one rival team believes they will have the best PU. Formula uno reported in 2023 that Mercedes was ahead of everyone by a few months.

From Nov'23: https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1040367/1 ... evelopment

More recent: https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/the-wh ... unit-call/



Ferrari already had the prototype on the test bench at the end of 2023.

https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1b ... r-unit-sj4

Compared that to Honda who was still hiring people mid 2024 and was only testing with a one cylinder version till then.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/honda ... /10605005/

Red Bull (Marko) has made big claims but nobody from the outside has seconded that opinion so cant say. Audi is said to be struggling.

Obvious disclaimer is that no one can actually know till cars hit the track but I would be surprised if the actual scenario is drastically different.
What in the ICE is different in 2026 from what it's like in 2025 or was 2024?

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peewon wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 20:53
Bill wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 15:13
KimiRai wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 14:44


I don't agree with him on that, I think Max will eventually come to Aston. I could be wrong though, of course.
Them and ferrari are the most advance in terms of developments?can you explain how you came to that conclusion,or just because those 2 have have high opinion of their brands then they must be all great and wonderful.japanese companies leads in hybrid and toyota are the best in wec .the tech will be similar to wec.
Its not just Mercedes people who have been optimistic. Williams (Albon and Vowels) have both said the same thing and renewed their deal with Merc. As did Alpine. Nate Saunders said on a podcast that at least one rival team believes they will have the best PU. Formula uno reported in 2023 that Mercedes was ahead of everyone by a few months.

From Nov'23: https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1040367/1 ... evelopment

More recent: https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/the-wh ... unit-call/



Ferrari already had the prototype on the test bench at the end of 2023.

https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1b ... r-unit-sj4

Compared that to Honda who was still hiring people mid 2024 and was only testing with a one cylinder version till then.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/honda ... /10605005/

Red Bull (Marko) has made big claims but nobody from the outside has seconded that opinion so cant say. Audi is said to be struggling.

Obvious disclaimer is that no one can actually know till cars hit the track but I would be surprised if the actual scenario is drastically different.
Honda doesn’t toot its own horn in the same way Merc and Ferrari do. They have been silently working and making progress on the electrical side. The ICE is pretty well known to them and at least they have Cowells expertise to lean on as well.

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diffuser wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 21:55
peewon wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 20:53
Bill wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 15:13

Them and ferrari are the most advance in terms of developments?can you explain how you came to that conclusion,or just because those 2 have have high opinion of their brands then they must be all great and wonderful.japanese companies leads in hybrid and toyota are the best in wec .the tech will be similar to wec.
Its not just Mercedes people who have been optimistic. Williams (Albon and Vowels) have both said the same thing and renewed their deal with Merc. As did Alpine. Nate Saunders said on a podcast that at least one rival team believes they will have the best PU. Formula uno reported in 2023 that Mercedes was ahead of everyone by a few months.

From Nov'23: https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1040367/1 ... evelopment

More recent: https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/the-wh ... unit-call/



Ferrari already had the prototype on the test bench at the end of 2023.

https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1b ... r-unit-sj4

Compared that to Honda who was still hiring people mid 2024 and was only testing with a one cylinder version till then.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/honda ... /10605005/

Red Bull (Marko) has made big claims but nobody from the outside has seconded that opinion so cant say. Audi is said to be struggling.

Obvious disclaimer is that no one can actually know till cars hit the track but I would be surprised if the actual scenario is drastically different.
What in the ICE is different in 2026 from what it's like in 2025 or was 2024?
New fuel and reduced fuel load would be the changes most directly effecting the ICE. How to maintain that power with increased efficiency would be the major challenge.

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RedNEO wrote:
21 Jan 2025, 02:42


Honda doesn’t toot its own horn in the same way Merc and Ferrari do. They have been silently working and making progress on the electrical side. The ICE is pretty well known to them and at least they have Cowells expertise to lean on as well.
Yeah lets hope so. But its not just Mercedes tooting their horn. Its other teams, Williams and Alpine making major business decisions to back up that opinion. James Vowels would have a decent idea about how they are doing and he has compared it to 2014. He isnt a guy that I find routinely talking non sense for the sake of it. I just hope its not a 2014 situation and others are at least in the same ballpark.

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peewon wrote:
21 Jan 2025, 03:47
diffuser wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 21:55
peewon wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 20:53


Its not just Mercedes people who have been optimistic. Williams (Albon and Vowels) have both said the same thing and renewed their deal with Merc. As did Alpine. Nate Saunders said on a podcast that at least one rival team believes they will have the best PU. Formula uno reported in 2023 that Mercedes was ahead of everyone by a few months.

From Nov'23: https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1040367/1 ... evelopment

More recent: https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/the-wh ... unit-call/



Ferrari already had the prototype on the test bench at the end of 2023.

https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1b ... r-unit-sj4

Compared that to Honda who was still hiring people mid 2024 and was only testing with a one cylinder version till then.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/honda ... /10605005/

Red Bull (Marko) has made big claims but nobody from the outside has seconded that opinion so cant say. Audi is said to be struggling.

Obvious disclaimer is that no one can actually know till cars hit the track but I would be surprised if the actual scenario is drastically different.
What in the ICE is different in 2026 from what it's like in 2025 or was 2024?
New fuel and reduced fuel load would be the changes most directly effecting the ICE. How to maintain that power with increased efficiency would be the major challenge.
Aramco is said to be incredibly good in this area.

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RedNEO wrote:
21 Jan 2025, 14:15
peewon wrote:
21 Jan 2025, 03:47
diffuser wrote:
20 Jan 2025, 21:55


What in the ICE is different in 2026 from what it's like in 2025 or was 2024?
New fuel and reduced fuel load would be the changes most directly effecting the ICE. How to maintain that power with increased efficiency would be the major challenge.
Aramco is said to be incredibly good in this area.
So really nothing they need to test with a full compliment of pistons. I doubt the bottom of the block (connecting rods, pistons, crank shaft, main bolts, etc) change much from what they are presently using.


The MGU-H isn't gonna be there anymore but they may decide to keep the turbo split. Which means a replacement of the MGU-H with some kind of bearings support for the axle. The MGU-K is being moved to the front of the block

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I believe the turbo split is illegal for the 2026 regulations.

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TyreSlip wrote:
21 Jan 2025, 17:48
I believe the turbo split is illegal for the 2026 regulations.
I haven't heard that. Technically all Turbos are split. It's just a question of how far apart the turbine and the compressors are.

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Taken from a 2022 draft: Issue 1

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Mattchu wrote:
21 Jan 2025, 19:52
Taken from a 2022 draft: Issue 1

https://i.postimg.cc/zBPb6hKN/t1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/QdrB2h9F/t2.png
Since the bore of the Cylinders are 80mm. Three cylinders is a min of 240mm and greater than 175mm. Even if you sat the whole compressor inside the V of the block 42.5 + 175 = 217.5, we still couldn't put the turbine outside of the block. I don't think they'd want that heat back in the block.

Guess limiting the axial distance between the compressor and the turbine makes the manufacturing of the complete turbo Cheaper.

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Honda is working on the fuel and lubricant blend with Valvoline. The question is, will Honda's solid state battery tech be put to the test? And what of Nissan's merger and expertise in Formula E and ev tech. Interesting times ahead.

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peewon wrote:
21 Jan 2025, 03:58
RedNEO wrote:
21 Jan 2025, 02:42


Honda doesn’t toot its own horn in the same way Merc and Ferrari do. They have been silently working and making progress on the electrical side. The ICE is pretty well known to them and at least they have Cowells expertise to lean on as well.
Yeah lets hope so. But its not just Mercedes tooting their horn. Its other teams, Williams and Alpine making major business decisions to back up that opinion. James Vowels would have a decent idea about how they are doing and he has compared it to 2014. He isnt a guy that I find routinely talking non sense for the sake of it. I just hope its not a 2014 situation and others are at least in the same ballpark.
Trying to read tea leaves again and projecting it as facts? Vowels doesn't have a clue. He is hoping like hell that Merc is better.

Why is it so hard to say "We have no Idea who will have a better PU in 2026?" The truth is that we'll have to wait till 2026 to find out.