2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[KimiRai]

I think some have forgotten how dire the situation was just four months ago and how completely lost the team looked. That's why my expectations are low at the moment, anything else will be a bonus. Much better this way than getting disappointed.

I agree. The car was 1 second slower in qualifying and 2 seconds slower a lap in race pace. To think that the car could be anywhere near the top 4 teams is setting oneself up for disappointment.

The truth is you can't really tell lately. No one knows what will be the picture in 9 races too. If we learned anything from the last years in these regs is there are plenty of surprises abound both good and bad, so imo it pays to be cautious and patient. Better to just let the track talk rather than trusting statements.

[RedNEO]

[Sherrinford]

I think some have forgotten how dire the situation was just four months ago and how completely lost the team looked. That's why my expectations are low at the moment, anything else will be a bonus. Much better this way than getting disappointed.

I agree. The car was 1 second slower in qualifying and 2 seconds slower a lap in race pace. To think that the car could be anywhere near the top 4 teams is setting oneself up for disappointment.

Am I wrong or were these the same things you said in 2023? Really, given the uncertainties of the Honda engine, why not hope this season? Having expectations of a maximum fifth place doesn't make me happy. I mean, whether it's the fifth team in Bahrain or the eighth makes little difference to me personally.

[Sherrinford]

I think some have forgotten how dire the situation was just four months ago and how completely lost the team looked. That's why my expectations are low at the moment, anything else will be a bonus. Much better this way than getting disappointed.

I agree. The car was 1 second slower in qualifying and 2 seconds slower a lap in race pace. To think that the car could be anywhere near the top 4 teams is setting oneself up for disappointment.

The truth is you can't really tell lately. No one knows what will be the picture in 9 races too. If we learned anything from the last years in these regs is there are plenty of surprises abound both good and bad, so imo it pays to be cautious and patient. Better to just let the track talk rather than trusting statements.

In reality, apart from the decline of Aston Martin and the rise of McLaren, everything has remained unchanged.
Redbull Ferrari and Mercedes are the constants, from the first to the last race they have always fought for the podiums, so no, not much will change from now until the 9th race, there will always be the same teams that they will win as always.

[KimiRai]

In reality, apart from the decline of Aston Martin and the rise of McLaren, everything has remained unchanged.
Redbull Ferrari and Mercedes are the constants, from the first to the last race they have always fought for the podiums, so no, not much will change from now until the 9th race, there will always be the same teams that they will win as always.

I think you are simplifying it a bit. Shortlived rise and then decline of Aston. Rise of McLaren after a slow start. Red Bull went from domination to struggling with an unbalanced car. Ferrari too went from highly competitive, to mediocre to competitive again. Mercedes if anything has been the consistently mediocre one this regulation with only some moments of success they don't seem to really understand.

there will always be the same teams that they will win as always.

Everyone says this and then you look at F1 history and it's always changed, eventually.

[NAPI10]

Eager to hear Alonso's impression about AMR25.If you hear phrases like 'we are still learning', 'It's a long season', 'We are hoping to add performance' etc etc
Then, you know what to expect

[RedNEO]

[organic]

For me the car looks like intelligent choices were made by taking solutions that worked well up and down the grid. Hopefully they can nail the launch spec car again (as they essentially did the last 2 years) and not get lost with development this time

[diffuser]

Eager to hear Alonso's impression about AMR25.If you hear phrases like 'we are still learning', 'It's a long season', 'We are hoping to add performance' etc etc
Then, you know what to expect

Until you've had a dry qualifying session, nobody know's much. It's all guessing.

[TyreSlip]

I think some have forgotten how dire the situation was just four months ago and how completely lost the team looked. That's why my expectations are low at the moment, anything else will be a bonus. Much better this way than getting disappointed.

I agree. The car was 1 second slower in qualifying and 2 seconds slower a lap in race pace. To think that the car could be anywhere near the top 4 teams is setting oneself up for disappointment.

Am I wrong or were these the same things you said in 2023? Really, given the uncertainties of the Honda engine, why not hope this season? Having expectations of a maximum fifth place doesn't make me happy. I mean, whether it's the fifth team in Bahrain or the eighth makes little difference to me personally.

It doesn't make me happy either but that is just where the team is at the moment. If this base car at least handles better in slow speed corners and is more stable, then there could be hope that the direction they took is working and and an update package for race 9 might make them closer to the top. I would love to see that because this team needs confidence going into 2026.

[NAPI10]

Eager to hear Alonso's impression about AMR25.If you hear phrases like 'we are still learning', 'It's a long season', 'We are hoping to add performance' etc etc
Then, you know what to expect

Until you've had a dry qualifying session, nobody know's much. It's all guessing.

That's true for the fans & media. Someone like Alonso must have some sense of pecking order or at least a gauge of improvement team has made. There are no regulation changes so making that prediction should be little easier by end of pre-testing.

[SSJ4]

Would be funny if Dan fallows finally delivered a good car since this is his think piece essentially.

I’m already expecting changes within first few races tbh

[Sherrinford]

Would be funny if Dan fallows finally delivered a good car since this is his think piece essentially.

I’m already expecting changes within first few races tbh

I'm already expecting an update for the first race, given the time still remaining. Anyway, from the tests you will have a clear idea of everything, amr23 is a sweet car with the tyres and fast, you could already see that he would fight, everyone knew it unlike amr24. Even from Alonso's statements we will know a lot, but if a car is fast it is fast and you cannot hide it, if it manages the tyres well, if it has good driveability and so on.

[-wkst-]

Cowell said that the aero dates were later than usual to have more tunnel time until the first test. Therefore I don’t believe that there are any bigger updates for race 1.

Regarding Fallows I am not so sure that he had much to say anymore about the AMR25, as there were paddock rumours already in September that he will leave the race team.

[Rikrikrik]

Cowell said that the aero dates were later than usual to have more tunnel time until the first test. Therefore I don’t believe that there are any bigger updates for race 1.

Regarding Fallows I am not so sure that he had much to say anymore about the AMR25, as there were paddock rumours already in September that he will leave the race team.

"Cowell said that the aero dates were later than usual to have more tunnel time until the first test"

Certanly because they possible changed some Fallows concepts and build somethings with Bell or Cardile.