2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Seanspeed wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 18:03
Xyz22 wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 17:58
Seanspeed wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 17:32
Car looked quite smooth and balanced watching Leclerc's fastest lap from onboard. Perhaps not as responsive through T11 as I'd like to see, which is a tiny bit concerning given that turn-in responsiveness in those sort of lower-medium loaded corners was one of the car's bigger issues through most of last year(at least in comparison to Mclaren). But it's early days of course.

EDIT: Just watched Norris' lap, though not onboard. The Mclaren easily looks more glued up and responsive. Different conditions at the time of the laps and plenty of minor unknowns that can all make a difference, but if anybody was hoping Mclaren might have lost a step, dont count on it. lol Ferrari have it cut out.
We don’t know fuel loads. The first day is not very useful for comparisons.
Characteristics are still things to notice. If we cant even point this stuff out, then there's literally no point in paying any attention at all!

Also, looks like Ferrari are potentially on a race sim now. Leclerc's first stint was mid 1:36's for the most part.




Comparing the laps of #Norris and #Leclerc you can see how the programs are different. You can see the #Ferrari with a higher top speed but with early braking, similar cornering speeds, #McLaren faster in the snake. It seems that with the #SF25 I tried a tight lap with a lot of fuel, while the McLaren is trying more load and maybe less weight. It is practically impossible to directly compare them in a significant way in terms of performance. On the video they seemed to be two excellent cars, well balanced. It seemed to me that the McLaren had a little more directionality, therefore a slightly stronger front, but it would also derive from the greater load that the numbers show. Nothing, it is the first day, we must not look for sentences because for now there are none. #F1Testing #F1
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In terms of "responsiveness", McL also ran with a higher DF setup after the break.

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Christ folks, I wasn't jumping to any certain conclusions. Of course there's unknown factors and conditions were not the same and all that stuff. I wasn't judging purely on laptime differences or anything, either.

I think the traces actually support what I was saying as well, especially with Mclaren having a more responsive front end, and Leclerc's weakness in T11.

We get it, it's testing. Nobody needs to be reminded of that. If you really dont think there's any point in talking about anything at all, or any observations or any such thing, why are you paying attention at all? lol Just go and come back for the first qualifying session. :p

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Seanspeed wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 18:03
Xyz22 wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 17:58
Seanspeed wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 17:32
Car looked quite smooth and balanced watching Leclerc's fastest lap from onboard. Perhaps not as responsive through T11 as I'd like to see, which is a tiny bit concerning given that turn-in responsiveness in those sort of lower-medium loaded corners was one of the car's bigger issues through most of last year(at least in comparison to Mclaren). But it's early days of course.

EDIT: Just watched Norris' lap, though not onboard. The Mclaren easily looks more glued up and responsive. Different conditions at the time of the laps and plenty of minor unknowns that can all make a difference, but if anybody was hoping Mclaren might have lost a step, dont count on it. lol Ferrari have it cut out.
We don’t know fuel loads. The first day is not very useful for comparisons.
Characteristics are still things to notice. If we cant even point this stuff out, then there's literally no point in paying any attention at all!

Also, looks like Ferrari are potentially on a race sim now. Leclerc's first stint was mid 1:36's for the most part.
If two cars are equal, one with full tank will have more understeer than one with 90% of the total fuel.

Also, i’m not saying Ferrari is better/equal/worse than McL. Just that is very difficult to point out after 3 days of testing, let alone the first day.
I’m expecting McLaren to be very strong though.
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But not high at all, similar to the deep spoon ferrari wing, they on the other hand tested a very low df rw with lando, and then he changed for medium spec
SoulPancake13 wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 18:20
In terms of "responsiveness", McL also ran with a higher DF setup after the break.

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Not only fuel load and engine modes, but also setups, because from Albano's telemetry analysis, it looks like the car setups in the fast lap comparisons were for different tracks.
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Xyz22 wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 18:27
If two cars are equal, one with full tank will have more understeer than one with 90% of the total fuel.

Also, i’m not saying Ferrari is better/equal/worse than McL. Just that is very difficult to point out after 3 days of testing, let alone the first day.
I’m expecting McLaren to be very strong though.
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Ferrari were on low fuel. We dont know exactly what the fuel loads were, but they were gonna be in the same ballpark of the lower fuel range like Mclaren.

In fact, Ferrari seem to have done a lot of testing with both Lewis and Charles to do low fuel runs and then likely full fat fuel levels, probably trying to get a better balance for qualifying vs early stint race pace that we suffered with last year.

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Tempted to put Ferrari 4th atm. Did we see Leclerc do any C3 stints on lower fuel?

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Cs98 wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 19:26
Tempted to put Ferrari 4th atm. Did we see Leclerc do any C3 stints on lower fuel?
Please, it’s the first day of testing. Nobody can, with any sort of confidence, really tell who is 1st or who is 4th.
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Good to know that the car responded to the setup changes, and they got it somewhat balanced.

Hopefully, it doesn't rain tomorrow!

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Can't tell too much because Ferrari ran a different program than other teams, however the times look decent.

Last year during the race: Max stint 1 was on average 1.37.1, stint 3 started with a good 1.34.1 and then went degrading kinda quick to 1.34.4 in a few laps, then I think he chilled a bit. So the difference between stint 1 and stint 3 is around 3 seconds. Stint 2 was in the 1.35s.

LEC I think did a bunch of Stint 1s in low 1.36s for 18-20 laps (Max pit on lap 16 in the race). Max last stint sim was in 1.32.9s, so that puts Ferrari close.

Cars overall look 1s faster per lap at least in race trim, probably more in quali trim, I wouldn't be surprised to see 1.28s as best times in quali.

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Emag wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 19:27
Cs98 wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 19:26
Tempted to put Ferrari 4th atm. Did we see Leclerc do any C3 stints on lower fuel?
Please, it’s the first day of testing. Nobody can, with any sort of confidence, really tell who is 1st or who is 4th.
Watching and analysing is kind of pointless if we are not going to read into any of it. There's enough data to start speculating, no one is saying these opinions are definitive.

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dialtone wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 19:31
Can't tell too much because Ferrari ran a different program than other teams, however the times look decent.

Last year during the race: Max stint 1 was on average 1.37.1, stint 3 started with a good 1.34.1 and then went degrading kinda quick to 1.34.4 in a few laps, then I think he chilled a bit. So the difference between stint 1 and stint 3 is around 3 seconds. Stint 2 was in the 1.35s.

LEC I think did a bunch of Stint 1s in low 1.36s for 18-20 laps (Max pit on lap 16 in the race). Max last stint sim was in 1.32.9s, so that puts Ferrari close.

Cars overall look 1s faster per lap at least in race trim, probably more in quali trim, I wouldn't be surprised to see 1.28s as best times in quali.
Had the same thought so far. I wouldn’t say 1s faster but at least 0.7s. Impossible to know exact figures of course. Seems tightly matched at the top! Field might bunch up even tighter. Perfect for those drivers that can maximise a race weekend consistently

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