2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Venturiation wrote:
As usual disclaimer, his comments are just based on his opinion, he hasn’t sat down with the team to brief on it before coming out.

In 2019 he claimed RedBull was the second best team behind Ferrari and McLaren was gonna battle Williams. Needless to say he was wrong.

I remember he also said Haas was better than Ferrari during some other season around that time but I can’t find a pointer…

He says many things.

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dialtone wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 22:23
Venturiation wrote:
As usual disclaimer, his comments are just based on his opinion, he hasn’t sat down with the team to brief on it before coming out.

In 2019 he claimed RedBull was the second best team behind Ferrari and McLaren was gonna battle Williams. Needless to say he was wrong.

I remember he also said Haas was better than Ferrari during some other season around that time but I can’t find a pointer…

He says many things.
It has already been confirmed from previous years that each team knows the performance about the other teams because they have access to all the data, just like in 2023 everyone knew about Aston Martin from the first day

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Venturiation wrote:
It has already been confirmed from previous years that each team knows the performance about the other teams because they have access to all the data, just like in 2023 everyone knew about Aston Martin from the first day
Literally gave a recent example of him making predictions that were all totally wrong.

Also as I wrote, he’s not saying these things based on data, and he always does it.

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Lol I'm sorry but anyone who takes Helmut Marko seriously is not a serious person.

He says lots of things. He just likes to talk. He commented on Norris' mental health last year... clearly he is not thinking these things through.

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https://x.com/Fred__18/status/1894828612261441823

Federico Albano @Fred__18

Just to give two references of what we saw today. NO CONCLUSIONS, before someone shouts that #Ferrari , #McLaren , #Merecedes or #RedBull are already World Champions or should be thrown away, a failed project, people should be fired, better to think about 2000 never etc. it is better to reiterate it clearly.
From the times you can clearly see how #Leclerc worked in the second part of the day with long runs done with high fuel loads, lapping at very high but constant times in the various runs. In the first half he did a series of mini-runs always with high degradation, but looking at the data of the individual laps I always had the impression that he had a configuration with a lower aero load than the competition and a lot of fuel, as if they were testing the limits of the tyres in certain conditions. #Norris , #Verstappen and #Russell instead showed more similar programs. McLaren in the relative (and only in that) was the fastest and most consistent, RedBull the one that needed to start slower to then gradually reach the target time, Mercedes the one that of the 3 degraded the most. From the average telemetry (which is done on all the laps whose dots are seen in the graph of the times) it would seem (to be taken with a pinch of salt given that it is an average of a day of testing!) first of all that Leclerc loses space not so much in mileage and traction as in braking and entry. Interesting data, which on one hand would confirm the greater mass of the car due to the greater quantity of fuel, on the other hand it is to be kept an eye on because it is one of those phases that could be influenced by the switch to the pull rod. Norris gave the impression all day of having a more loaded configuration (but still efficient), a good compromise, but which showed good feedback especially in terms of downforce (which would explain the very low degradation. NOTE: it is not said that it is the best configuration, it is likely that they were testing that specific load configuration, see flow-viz on the whole car at the end). Mercedes very stable, but to understand how it behaves with the tires and how it manages the height from the ground (some discomfort was felt if I understood the TRs correctly), RedBull as always very rigid, for now it seems to see a direct evolution of last year's car also conceptually. it's all to be discovered, all in progress, this tweet is made to inform and not to give sentences or judgments, because it's only the first day of testing and therefore we haven't seen anything. Cheers
#F1Testing #F1


Some interesting points from Albano. Easy to look at Marco's comments and draw negative conclusions. Few reports are aligning on a strong front end which is great. Hopefully the braking time loss is fuel and not suspension related. At some point tomorrow or Friday Ferrari will run a quali sim and that will show how the car is behaving.

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Venturiation wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 22:31
dialtone wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 22:23
Venturiation wrote:
As usual disclaimer, his comments are just based on his opinion, he hasn’t sat down with the team to brief on it before coming out.

In 2019 he claimed RedBull was the second best team behind Ferrari and McLaren was gonna battle Williams. Needless to say he was wrong.

I remember he also said Haas was better than Ferrari during some other season around that time but I can’t find a pointer…

He says many things.
It has already been confirmed from previous years that each team knows the performance about the other teams because they have access to all the data, just like in 2023 everyone knew about Aston Martin from the first day
Ugh. No?
James Allison said last year that they were ahead of Ferrari in the post-testing intervew, only to end up behind Leclerc who spent half the race with overheating brakes on one side. With both cars.

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Venturiation wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 22:17
So that is a post from Gazetta Ferrari, posting something from Kemal Sengull About Marko's opinion?

I am pressing x for doubt :)

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Space-heat wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 22:55
https://x.com/Fred__18/status/1894828612261441823

Federico Albano @Fred__18

Just to give two references of what we saw today. NO CONCLUSIONS, before someone shouts that #Ferrari , #McLaren , #Merecedes or #RedBull are already World Champions or should be thrown away, a failed project, people should be fired, better to think about 2000 never etc. it is better to reiterate it clearly.
From the times you can clearly see how #Leclerc worked in the second part of the day with long runs done with high fuel loads, lapping at very high but constant times in the various runs. In the first half he did a series of mini-runs always with high degradation, but looking at the data of the individual laps I always had the impression that he had a configuration with a lower aero load than the competition and a lot of fuel, as if they were testing the limits of the tyres in certain conditions. #Norris , #Verstappen and #Russell instead showed more similar programs. McLaren in the relative (and only in that) was the fastest and most consistent, RedBull the one that needed to start slower to then gradually reach the target time, Mercedes the one that of the 3 degraded the most. From the average telemetry (which is done on all the laps whose dots are seen in the graph of the times) it would seem (to be taken with a pinch of salt given that it is an average of a day of testing!) first of all that Leclerc loses space not so much in mileage and traction as in braking and entry. Interesting data, which on one hand would confirm the greater mass of the car due to the greater quantity of fuel, on the other hand it is to be kept an eye on because it is one of those phases that could be influenced by the switch to the pull rod. Norris gave the impression all day of having a more loaded configuration (but still efficient), a good compromise, but which showed good feedback especially in terms of downforce (which would explain the very low degradation. NOTE: it is not said that it is the best configuration, it is likely that they were testing that specific load configuration, see flow-viz on the whole car at the end). Mercedes very stable, but to understand how it behaves with the tires and how it manages the height from the ground (some discomfort was felt if I understood the TRs correctly), RedBull as always very rigid, for now it seems to see a direct evolution of last year's car also conceptually. it's all to be discovered, all in progress, this tweet is made to inform and not to give sentences or judgments, because it's only the first day of testing and therefore we haven't seen anything. Cheers
#F1Testing #F1


Some interesting points from Albano. Easy to look at Marco's comments and draw negative conclusions. Few reports are aligning on a strong front end which is great. Hopefully the braking time loss is fuel and not suspension related. At some point tomorrow or Friday Ferrari will run a quali sim and that will show how the car is behaving.
Finally, the opinion of someone who actually knows their stuff. Thank you for sharing.

Like you say it seems most of the analysts are agreeing the SF-25 has a twitchy rear. May or may not be a good thing. If the drivers can adjust it will be a great thing. My dream is we get that first F1-75 back... but I know that's just a dream :lol:

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I don’t like these comments from the Red Bull ambassador because he is sometimes correct, however, as soon as you think it’s over they pull you back in

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I don’t know why, but I have a horrible feeling this is going to be another SF23. Really hope not

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Thank you Vanja!

I think the breaking situation is very interesting and likely due to the new suspension. Let’s see how it develops, but from what I’ve seen a lot of LEC lap time comes from his breaking ability so let’s hope they can dial that in.

The F1-75 and SF23 were exceptional under breaking

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Leclerc will focus on performance tomorrow afternoon (27th) and Hamilton will do it on the last day of testing

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... /10698730/
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Vinlarr89 wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 01:01
I don’t know why, but I have a horrible feeling this is going to be another SF23. Really hope not
Even worse case scenario for this car won’t be as bad as the SF23 situation

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 23:58
Space-heat wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 22:55
https://x.com/Fred__18/status/1894828612261441823

Federico Albano @Fred__18

Just to give two references of what we saw today. NO CONCLUSIONS, before someone shouts that #Ferrari , #McLaren , #Merecedes or #RedBull are already World Champions or should be thrown away, a failed project, people should be fired, better to think about 2000 never etc. it is better to reiterate it clearly.
From the times you can clearly see how #Leclerc worked in the second part of the day with long runs done with high fuel loads, lapping at very high but constant times in the various runs. In the first half he did a series of mini-runs always with high degradation, but looking at the data of the individual laps I always had the impression that he had a configuration with a lower aero load than the competition and a lot of fuel, as if they were testing the limits of the tyres in certain conditions. #Norris , #Verstappen and #Russell instead showed more similar programs. McLaren in the relative (and only in that) was the fastest and most consistent, RedBull the one that needed to start slower to then gradually reach the target time, Mercedes the one that of the 3 degraded the most. From the average telemetry (which is done on all the laps whose dots are seen in the graph of the times) it would seem (to be taken with a pinch of salt given that it is an average of a day of testing!) first of all that Leclerc loses space not so much in mileage and traction as in braking and entry. Interesting data, which on one hand would confirm the greater mass of the car due to the greater quantity of fuel, on the other hand it is to be kept an eye on because it is one of those phases that could be influenced by the switch to the pull rod. Norris gave the impression all day of having a more loaded configuration (but still efficient), a good compromise, but which showed good feedback especially in terms of downforce (which would explain the very low degradation. NOTE: it is not said that it is the best configuration, it is likely that they were testing that specific load configuration, see flow-viz on the whole car at the end). Mercedes very stable, but to understand how it behaves with the tires and how it manages the height from the ground (some discomfort was felt if I understood the TRs correctly), RedBull as always very rigid, for now it seems to see a direct evolution of last year's car also conceptually. it's all to be discovered, all in progress, this tweet is made to inform and not to give sentences or judgments, because it's only the first day of testing and therefore we haven't seen anything. Cheers
#F1Testing #F1


Some interesting points from Albano. Easy to look at Marco's comments and draw negative conclusions. Few reports are aligning on a strong front end which is great. Hopefully the braking time loss is fuel and not suspension related. At some point tomorrow or Friday Ferrari will run a quali sim and that will show how the car is behaving.
Finally, the opinion of someone who actually knows their stuff. Thank you for sharing.

Like you say it seems most of the analysts are agreeing the SF-25 has a twitchy rear. May or may not be a good thing. If the drivers can adjust it will be a great thing. My dream is we get that first F1-75 back... but I know that's just a dream :lol:
Funny that in commentary Palmer spoke about a good rear and not enough front :roll:

I think body language is usually the most reliable indicator tbh. I don’t think there’s enough to go on for us otherwise