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[Sergej]

Last day for Lawson, will he do a race sim ?

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Motorsport Turkey echoes that new parts will come for Friday

[Sergej]

In Milton Keynes they invested a lot of resources, taking them away from other areas of the RB21, for something that in a few races will no longer be usable and which will have a direct and non-negligible impact on the general balance of the single-seaters.

https://autoracer.it/it/novita-red-bull ... flessibile

[Cs98]

In Milton Keynes they invested a lot of resources, taking them away from other areas of the RB21, for something that in a few races will no longer be usable and which will have a direct and non-negligible impact on the general balance of the single-seaters.

https://autoracer.it/it/novita-red-bull ... flessibile

Meh, a flexing wing would cost a bit, but it's hardly a massive investment between seasons when you build new wings anyways. They get to use it for 1/3 of the season and then everyone has to go back towards a less flexy concept which RB was the best at in 22-23.

[Paa]

In Milton Keynes they invested a lot of resources, taking them away from other areas of the RB21, for something that in a few races will no longer be usable and which will have a direct and non-negligible impact on the general balance of the single-seaters.

https://autoracer.it/it/novita-red-bull ... flessibile

Meh, a flexing wing would cost a bit, but it's hardly a massive investment between seasons when you build new wings anyways. They get to use it for 1/3 of the season and then everyone has to go back towards a less flexy concept which RB was the best at in 22-23.

It doesn't work like that.
Waché talked about that partly they could not introduce flexywings last year as they had a different philosophy in the car in terms of how to balance it.
I assume they did changes over the winter assuming that the balancing will be done via the flexywings, after FIA gave the green light last year. So maybe they are now weaker on those other areas so will be exposed after Barcelona.

Everything works as a package, you can't just replace parts in isolation.

[Space-heat]

Motorsport Turkey echoes that new parts will come for Friday

Funny that Lawson wouldn't get a run with new parts if they do arrive. I suppose a strength of RB in the WDC is that all the chips are backing Max.

[Wouter]

We will miss him from now on at RBR. Today his book is out. Very good and interesting to read what he has written
according to the PR manager from RBR who read it.
The second slice is a video so again you have to click on it.

[f1isgood]

Motorsport Turkey echoes that new parts will come for Friday

Funny that Lawson wouldn't get a run with new parts if they do arrive. I suppose a strength of RB in the WDC is that all the chips are backing Max.

Neither Lawson nor any other driver will become Red Bull's priority unless said driver is matching/quicker than Max and I doubt there's any indication of that being true for now with Lawson.

[f1isgood]

https://autoracer.it/it/novita-red-bull ... flessibile

Meh, a flexing wing would cost a bit, but it's hardly a massive investment between seasons when you build new wings anyways. They get to use it for 1/3 of the season and then everyone has to go back towards a less flexy concept which RB was the best at in 22-23.

It doesn't work like that.
Waché talked about that partly they could not introduce flexywings last year as they had a different philosophy in the car in terms of how to balance it.
I assume they did changes over the winter assuming that the balancing will be done via the flexywings, after FIA gave the green light last year. So maybe they are now weaker on those other areas so will be exposed after Barcelona.

Everything works as a package, you can't just replace parts in isolation.

We will ger answers by race 9. Horner did mention about two different championships this year. Will be interesting to see. If RB21 can be competitive and win most races in the first 8, that would still make up for an interesting season assuming other cars are also close like last year. Hopefully the difference is Red bull still remains more competitive in the rest of the tracks so wins don't become as rare as they did at some point last year.

[Sergej]

Meh, a flexing wing would cost a bit, but it's hardly a massive investment between seasons when you build new wings anyways. They get to use it for 1/3 of the season and then everyone has to go back towards a less flexy concept which RB was the best at in 22-23.

It doesn't work like that.
Waché talked about that partly they could not introduce flexywings last year as they had a different philosophy in the car in terms of how to balance it.
I assume they did changes over the winter assuming that the balancing will be done via the flexywings, after FIA gave the green light last year. So maybe they are now weaker on those other areas so will be exposed after Barcelona.

Everything works as a package, you can't just replace parts in isolation.

We will ger answers by race 9. Horner did mention about two different championships this year. Will be interesting to see. If RB21 can be competitive and win most races in the first 8, that would still make up for an interesting season assuming other cars are also close like last year. Hopefully the difference is Red bull still remains more competitive in the rest of the tracks so wins don't become as rare as they did at some point last year.

I wouldn't be too hopeful listening to Waché's words:

We have made significant changes to the car, but most of them are not visible.The entire cooling system has been modified because it severely limited us in aerodynamic development last year.The entire floor has been revised to enlarge the car's operating window. For this, we responded to the interpretation of the association regarding the flexibility of the front wing.

what I read here, is that they relied A LOT on the flexiwing for the balance of the car, which will be partly gone after 8 races; this would add up with Horner's anger after the clampdown news

we will have to see how the clampdown will affect other cars, even if my gut feeling is that RB21 will be affected the most, and that this year we won't have the few total dominance races to create a buffer like last year.

[Luscion]

[f1isgood]

It doesn't work like that.
Waché talked about that partly they could not introduce flexywings last year as they had a different philosophy in the car in terms of how to balance it.
I assume they did changes over the winter assuming that the balancing will be done via the flexywings, after FIA gave the green light last year. So maybe they are now weaker on those other areas so will be exposed after Barcelona.

Everything works as a package, you can't just replace parts in isolation.

We will ger answers by race 9. Horner did mention about two different championships this year. Will be interesting to see. If RB21 can be competitive and win most races in the first 8, that would still make up for an interesting season assuming other cars are also close like last year. Hopefully the difference is Red bull still remains more competitive in the rest of the tracks so wins don't become as rare as they did at some point last year.

I wouldn't be too hopeful listening to Waché's words:

We have made significant changes to the car, but most of them are not visible.The entire cooling system has been modified because it severely limited us in aerodynamic development last year.The entire floor has been revised to enlarge the car's operating window. For this, we responded to the interpretation of the association regarding the flexibility of the front wing.

what I read here, is that they relied A LOT on the flexiwing for the balance of the car, which will be partly gone after 8 races; this would add up with Horner's anger after the clampdown news

we will have to see how the clampdown will affect other cars, even if my gut feeling is that RB21 will be affected the most, and that this year we won't have the few total dominance races to create a buffer like last year.

I think it is a pretty easy case to make that each of the top 4 teams now relies on flexi-wing a lot. Especially McLaren and Mercedes as that was where they found their significant bumps from what I have been able to see.

Why don't we just see what happens? As I said, we will have an answer by race 9. So much doom and gloom already, although to be fair, that is only to be expected after the RB20.

[Cassius]

What happened to Lawson? After his seemingly good high fuel long run on c3 he didn't do any laps. Was there an issue?

[Sergej]

We will ger answers by race 9. Horner did mention about two different championships this year. Will be interesting to see. If RB21 can be competitive and win most races in the first 8, that would still make up for an interesting season assuming other cars are also close like last year. Hopefully the difference is Red bull still remains more competitive in the rest of the tracks so wins don't become as rare as they did at some point last year.

I wouldn't be too hopeful listening to Waché's words:

We have made significant changes to the car, but most of them are not visible.The entire cooling system has been modified because it severely limited us in aerodynamic development last year.The entire floor has been revised to enlarge the car's operating window. For this, we responded to the interpretation of the association regarding the flexibility of the front wing.

what I read here, is that they relied A LOT on the flexiwing for the balance of the car, which will be partly gone after 8 races; this would add up with Horner's anger after the clampdown news

we will have to see how the clampdown will affect other cars, even if my gut feeling is that RB21 will be affected the most, and that this year we won't have the few total dominance races to create a buffer like last year.

I think it is a pretty easy case to make that each of the top 4 teams now relies on flexi-wing a lot. Especially McLaren and Mercedes as that was where they found their significant bumps from what I have been able to see.

Why don't we just see what happens? As I said, we will have an answer by race 9. So much doom and gloom already, although to be fair, that is only to be expected after the RB20.

it's no doom and gloom, just a feeling, if we had just to see what happens there would be no need of a forum where to discuss things, right ?

[Cs98]

https://autoracer.it/it/novita-red-bull ... flessibile

Meh, a flexing wing would cost a bit, but it's hardly a massive investment between seasons when you build new wings anyways. They get to use it for 1/3 of the season and then everyone has to go back towards a less flexy concept which RB was the best at in 22-23.

It doesn't work like that.
Waché talked about that partly they could not introduce flexywings last year as they had a different philosophy in the car in terms of how to balance it.
I assume they did changes over the winter assuming that the balancing will be done via the flexywings, after FIA gave the green light last year. So maybe they are now weaker on those other areas so will be exposed after Barcelona.

Everything works as a package, you can't just replace parts in isolation.

Who said anything about replacing parts in isolation? Most of the car is already the same as it was before the flexy-wing, so it's not like this new wing has revolutionised the concept. The floor is slightly altered, but you can change that too. All cars will be affected, you talk like this is only impacting RB.

Like look at this, start of video. Thing is flexing several inches.