2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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SoulPancake13 wrote:
26 Feb 2025, 22:15
so I reject the notion that it is a similar-enough run.
Same tires, similar fastish laptimes against their expected closest competition. Come on now. They were very obviously similar enough in fuel levels.

It sounds more like you're going into defensive mode rather than just accepting some light, casual observations(again, NOT conclusions).

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deadhead wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 01:15
Arriving higher in top speed will often mean having to be earlier on the brakes.

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f1316 wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 01:32
I think body language is usually the most reliable indicator tbh.
What has caused people to lose their minds and god honestly believe this?

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catent wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 02:44
If other’s speculation about fuel load levels is a “pure guess”, how is your speculation (“similar enough low fuel runs”) any more accurate?
This isn't complicated at all.

It's a blind guess to say the Ferrari is heavier.

I'm just saying they were clearly on similar enough fuel levels, which they so very obviously were, being very similar times on the same tires on similar 'hotlap' runs against their closest expected competition. This should be complete common sense to anybody who has been watching F1 for more than a year, come on now.

I am not saying the EXACT SAME fuel levels either, just similar enough. Same rough ballpark.

Saying that Ferrari were a fair bit heavier on fuel is based on nothing, on the other hand. Just an overdefensive reaction to my casual observations which I keep maintaining over and over may not mean anything significant at all, but still felt it was worth mentioning because it was the same issue we had last year. There's obviously plenty of time left to go to see how things develop. I never said anything was set in stone or concluded anything about anything. I've been following F1 testing for many, many years, I'm aware of how these things go.

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Seanspeed wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 13:01
deadhead wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 01:15
Arriving higher in top speed will often mean having to be earlier on the brakes.
Or could be Fuel or DF related. Until Aus Q3 we won't know for sure. Everyone can have their own thoughts/conclusion no need to keep drilling or telling them they are being defensive, especially given no one really knows. Sometimes in this thread we are quick to doom so no harm holding onto some hope / positive.

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Space-heat wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 13:13
Or could be Fuel or DF related. Until Aus Q3 we won't know for sure. Everyone can have their own thoughts/conclusion no need to keep drilling or telling them they are being defensive, especially given no one really knows. Sometimes in this thread we are quick to doom so no harm holding onto some hope / positive.
Well downforce would be the same thing - higher top speed because of lower downforce = have to brake earlier. More fuel generally wouldn't cause this, or less fuel you'd usually see better acceleration and not just peak higher top speed. But could also be higher engine mode, whatever. Just pointing out the obvious, again.

The other argument is something completely different and shouldn't be all that arguable whatsoever. Nothing I'm saying is 'doomish' in the least. It shouldn't be reasonable to act overdefensive against my posts just because people cannot handle even the most slightest of perceived criticisms. I have no issue with people making their own, independent observations(as opposed to just being reactive and defensive to mine).
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the lap was quite nice

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decent lap there from hamilton. Car looks pretty hooked up, only some minor understeer.

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Seanspeed wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 13:01
Arriving higher in top speed will often mean having to be earlier on the brakes.
Verstappen had the same Top Speed and was braking as late as Russell and gained everything on Leclerc in T1 basically
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Car looking more aggressive today, probably removed some fuel. Track is so cold that it's hard to do a direct comparison to last year, but Ferrari have clearly taken a step.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 13:23
Seanspeed wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 13:01
Arriving higher in top speed will often mean having to be earlier on the brakes.
Verstappen had the same Top Speed and was braking as late as Russell and gained everything on Leclerc in T1 basically
I thought they were saying we dont have Verstappen's telemetry?

But yea, maybe he was. Could be using more energy at the end of those straights or something, dunno. Just commenting on these Lec vs Rus traces.

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Seanspeed wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 13:32
I thought they were saying we dont have Verstappen's telemetry?

But yea, maybe he was. Could be using more energy at the end of those straights or something, dunno. Just commenting on these Lec vs Rus traces.
VER/NOR Telemetry for individual laps wasn't available yesterday evening when I made that post, but it was fixed this morning
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Juzh wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 13:23
decent lap there from hamilton. Car looks pretty hooked up, only some minor understeer.
I also noticed some mild understeer but it's impossible to quantify how much of it is down to car characteristics and how much is induced by track conditions + unknown fuel loads.
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Seanspeed wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 13:02
What has caused people to lose their minds and god honestly believe this?
what year do you think Ferrari had a decent car, judging by these photos?
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yooogurt wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 13:39
Seanspeed wrote:
27 Feb 2025, 13:02
What has caused people to lose their minds and god honestly believe this?
what year do you think Ferrari had a decent car, judging by these photos?
https://i.postimg.cc/C1cLDZ7H/Gkok-Qoc-Wc-AEHGEG.jpg
2023, no doubt