2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Vanja #66]

How is Ferrari employing mini-DRS? We know how MCL did it last year or currently how they are still trying it but I failed to get how Ferrari has employed it as accused by Pierre Wache of RB?

They aren't and neither is McLaren at the moment

[scuderiabrandon]

How is Ferrari employing mini-DRS? We know how MCL did it last year or currently how they are still trying it but I failed to get how Ferrari has employed it as accused by Pierre Wache of RB?

They aren't and neither is McLaren at the moment

Those were some really rouge shouts from Wache. Some other creators are pushing the idea despite there being onboard footage saying otherwise.

[LM10]

Ferrari is a very good team but something is obviously missing and it’s certainly not the drivers! They’ve had top drivers for over a decade now and zero championships.

was obviously missing*

That’s what people thought when Alonso and Vettel were joining but “this time is different” is always there for us!

I think as a person having followed the last seasons you also should conclude that Ferrari as a team has improved in almost every aspect? Is there a particular weakness you can tell me by looking at last year?

[Fakepivot]

mainly car that works everywhere consistently, but race operation was pretty good other than few I don't remember much. biggest one probably Silverstone with Charles ? but that's more due to newer race engineer and their communication.

[Emag]

was obviously missing*

That’s what people thought when Alonso and Vettel were joining but “this time is different” is always there for us!

I think as a person having followed the last seasons you also should conclude that Ferrari as a team has improved in almost every aspect? Is there a particular weakness you can tell me by looking at last year?

I do think Ferrari already had a very "across the board decent" package last year with the SF24. The only real weakness was perhaps the relatively weak(er) front end compared to RedBull and McLaren (in general a bit understeery). Other than that they were only held back by two things.

First, development troubles, which to be fair that's tough to blame on Ferrari. Every top team except for McLaren (which kind of avoided it only by abandoning "aggressive" development altogether after their successful Miami package) hit some sort of issue during development last year. These regulations are very tricky because engineers can't actually chase the numbers they see in the wind tunnel, so you have to find a very tricky compromise, where you're not actually optimizing your car for peak load, but rather a lower peak which is more consistently available across different conditions (s.a ride heights, a particularly sensitive performance condition for these cars).

Secondly, the car/concept just didn't work the tires hard enough. A trait which gave them unbeatable tire deg in the race, but it came with too many sacrifices in the form of really bad car performance on lower temps and weaker performance in qualifying, where you need the car + tires to be on optimal condition for that one lap.

Now it seems like the SF25 has a visibly stronger front end, based on what we saw in Bahrain, so that's one box ticked for Ferrari. For the other two, we need to see a couple of races to tell if they've made progress or not.

[Emag]

As far as I am aware, Rory Byrne was quite involved on the 2022 project (F1-75) and I believe Ferrari retained him on an advisory role for both the SF23 and SF24 subsequent cars. Does anyone know if he was still involved (at whatever capacity) on the design of the SF25?

[deadhead]

was obviously missing*

That’s what people thought when Alonso and Vettel were joining but “this time is different” is always there for us!

I think as a person having followed the last seasons you also should conclude that Ferrari as a team has improved in almost every aspect? Is there a particular weakness you can tell me by looking at last year?

Since they last won a title Ferrari have had a few season similar to 2024 where you could say that it was good, but still, they haven’t been able to produce a championship winning car.

An strong argument could be made for 2017, where I still think that if maybe Alonso was driving the car there might’ve been a chance and another one for 2022 where I think the F1-75 and LEC had a genuine chance of fighting for the title before the FIA stepped in.

Seemingly now they have all the ingredients, right? So let’s see.

[Seanspeed]

I do think Ferrari already had a very "across the board decent" package last year with the SF24. The only real weakness was perhaps the relatively weak(er) front end compared to RedBull and McLaren (in general a bit understeery). Other than that they were only held back by two things.

First, development troubles, which to be fair that's tough to blame on Ferrari. Every top team except for McLaren (which kind of avoided it only by abandoning "aggressive" development altogether after their successful Miami package) hit some sort of issue during development last year. These regulations are very tricky because engineers can't actually chase the numbers they see in the wind tunnel, so you have to find a very tricky compromise, where you're not actually optimizing your car for peak load, but rather a lower peak which is more consistently available across different conditions (s.a ride heights, a particularly sensitive performance condition for these cars).

Secondly, the car/concept just didn't work the tires hard enough. A trait which gave them unbeatable tire deg in the race, but it came with too many sacrifices in the form of really bad car performance on lower temps and weaker performance in qualifying, where you need the car + tires to be on optimal condition for that one lap.

Now it seems like the SF25 has a visibly stronger front end, based on what we saw in Bahrain, so that's one box ticked for Ferrari. For the other two, we need to see a couple of races to tell if they've made progress or not.

The '24 car had a perfectly decent front end for genuine low speed cornering, when the aero was least at play(you dont win Monaco without this). It was more the slightly aero-loaded low-to-midspeed corner entry that the front seemed to just wash out in a bit and where Mclaren(and Mercedes, not Red Bull) had an advantage. The test in Bahrain showed the car seemed entirely fine in low speed front end responsiveness again, but it looked sluggish in T11 entry, which is exactly the 'slightly loaded' problem area from last year. I noticed this on the first day, and never saw anything from the rest of the test that countered that impression, unfortunately.

It's true conditions were weird, and perhaps lacking some rear downforce prevented the drivers from being as confident with turn-in as they might have liked, but we'll see.

The balance between qualifying and race pace and general tire operating window and whatnot is also something that's impossible to have derived from testing so another big "we'll see" situation there.

[Henri]

https://x.com/notracingpoint/status/1896616683659472981 even redbull admit McLaren and Ferrari are quicker.. they have more data but McLaren are stll favorites but not by much

[dialtone]

https://x.com/notracingpoint/status/1896616683659472981 even redbull admit McLaren and Ferrari are quicker.. they have more data but McLaren are stll favorites but not by much

So is red bull second fastest or are they behind ferrari? That tweet is not doing any favors for wache.

[zeroday]

Since they last won a title Ferrari have had a few season similar to 2024 where you could say that it was good, but still, they haven’t been able to produce a championship winning car.

An strong argument could be made for 2017, where I still think that if maybe Alonso was driving the car there might’ve been a chance and another one for 2022 where I think the F1-75 and LEC had a genuine chance of fighting for the title before the FIA stepped in.

Seemingly now they have all the ingredients, right? So let’s see.

You got me intrigued to check back on history. Wow, the last time FER won the WDC was in 2007 when it was Hamilton who was essentially a shoo-in to win it all in his rookie season, but in the 2nd last race of the season where all he had to do was just finish the race, he got stuck in a sandpit on pitlane entry due to the rain. This then finally gave Kimi and Alonso the desperate last chance to challenge Hamilton in points. So, FER won really just by luck.

And FER won the WCC in 2008, but Lewis again was there and won the WDC.

And ever since, from what i see in these stats, any time FER had a chance of winning either the WDC or WCC, Lewis was always the key or one of the key reasons the party was spoiled.

Geez, FER has been in pain for a very long time. wtf? Yea lets hope all the ingredients are now indeed in place. This cycle of pain needs to stop for this team.

[Henri]

https://x.com/notracingpoint/status/1896616683659472981 even redbull admit McLaren and Ferrari are quicker.. they have more data but McLaren are stll favorites but not by much

So is red bull second fastest or are they behind ferrari? That tweet is not doing any favors for wache.

The article offers more clarity

[yooogurt]

As far as I am aware, Rory Byrne was quite involved on the 2022 project (F1-75) and I believe Ferrari retained him on an advisory role for both the SF23 and SF24 subsequent cars. Does anyone know if he was still involved (at whatever capacity) on the design of the SF25?

[Leo Turrini] Ferrari has renewed Rory Byrne as a consultant until the end of the 2027 season.
https://www.quotidiano.net/blog/turrini ... nna-5.8589