2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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organic wrote:
dialtone wrote:
04 Mar 2025, 18:30
organic wrote:Yeah this time it's totally nonsense, but when McLaren were winning ahead of Ferrari due to their mini-DRS it wasn't :mrgreen:
There were videos of the mini drs. Right now it’s just wache saying it’s there but none of the rear wing videos showing it… that’s not a small difference.
I believe the testing claims are about the rear structure squatting backwards. They want to add new cameras to ensure it can't be done
There have been posts on this forum, in the pecking order, from people that have had a look at the wings bending and Ferrari has the least bending of them all.

As I noted during the practice the AMR and RB wings are crazy bending, how is Wache not complaining about them?

FIA already told him once to go home.

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organic wrote:
04 Mar 2025, 17:59
Yeah this time it's totally nonsense, but when McLaren were winning ahead of Ferrari due to their mini-DRS it wasn't :mrgreen:
The difference is a complete lack of onboard footage to judge it. We have one clip of a McLaren wing and as far as I'm aware no footage of Ferrari. It's hard for the public to take it seriously with a severe lack of evidence. So some scepticism is not surprising. And if it were happening on the McLaren, we're talking fractions of what we saw in Baku. At what point are we splitting hairs?

On top of that, the FIA's note of it is completely unreassuring that anything of it happens. Their reaction to it is always the same. How many cameras do these lot need to make a judgement?

I personally cannot discredit Red Bull's shout, but I personally cannot make a judgement with the sheer lack of evidence. I also recognise my bias, so I delayed speaking on it.

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Henri wrote:
03 Mar 2025, 19:46
https://x.com/notracingpoint/status/1896616683659472981 even redbull admit McLaren and Ferrari are quicker.. they have more data but McLaren are stll favorites but not by much
I think there is some gamesmanship here from Redbull to take the attention away from them and then spring a suprise at the first race. The RB21 seem to have raw pace in Max's hands but just needs to be tuned.
The car finished strongly at the end of 2024. Arguably equal fastest with Mclaren but on a track by track basis. The race in Brazil was strong for example. I don't see Mercedes W16 leap frogging the redbull from their crap W15.
The redbull aside from the uncertainty of the changes made under the skin, is more or less the same philosophy from RB20 with the floor that that fixed the balance issues.
I say they will be fighting for the front row with Mclaren and Ferrari at race 1 if they don't have any oil or coolant leaks.

As for wing bending.. I think this Wache stalling the other teams, but also deflecting from his shortcomings as lead Aero guy. His car is supposed to be the best under his leadership and they're fine without Newey, it's just a little bit behind the others only because they are cheating.
He's only buying himself time not to be replaced by Horner and the Verstappens if the car underwhelms.
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Is Ferrari expected to bring any upgrades for the race in Australia?

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I doubt it. They first need to sort out their current package. Still plenty of potential to lock out.

Generally speaking upgrades in Melbourne are rare because it does not make much sense to test a package 3 whole days only to bring in some new variables at the very first race.

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Formula 1 fan 1996 wrote:
04 Mar 2025, 21:56
Is Ferrari expected to bring any upgrades for the race in Australia?
I bet they will show with the same rear wing they used during testing

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Formula 1 fan 1996 wrote:
04 Mar 2025, 21:56
Is Ferrari expected to bring any upgrades for the race in Australia?
Bringing "upgrades" before they even get an understanding of the launch spec is a recipe for disaster.

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I don't get it, the only video of a rear wing that hugely goes down in full speed is from MB, and they have MB out of this protest?

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LM10 wrote:
04 Mar 2025, 22:08
I doubt it. They first need to sort out their current package. Still plenty of potential to lock out.

Generally speaking upgrades in Melbourne are rare because it does not make much sense to test a package 3 whole days only to bring in some new variables at the very first race.
Okay, thank you for answer.

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
04 Mar 2025, 22:58
Formula 1 fan 1996 wrote:
04 Mar 2025, 21:56
Is Ferrari expected to bring any upgrades for the race in Australia?
Bringing "upgrades" before they even get an understanding of the launch spec is a recipe for disaster.
They brought a few last season for the Bahrain GP, i think every team brought some thing, Williams and AM pretty much brought a new car.....

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
04 Mar 2025, 22:58
Formula 1 fan 1996 wrote:
04 Mar 2025, 21:56
Is Ferrari expected to bring any upgrades for the race in Australia?
Bringing "upgrades" before they even get an understanding of the launch spec is a recipe for disaster.
iirc, this year RBR was actually planning to bring their first upgrade to Australia but at the last minute decided to bring it to testing instead. So it seems upgrades so early on is normal. Logically, i too agree with you that it seems like a "recipe for disaster" but i guess these teams know better.

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Upgrades are aimed at fixing the stuff they found during testing or early cfd/sim work.

They aren’t going to bring updates to go in new development directions that would sidetrack the work.

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https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-sf25-ba ... c-hamilton

The new "Red" has yet to fully reveal its hand; no one quite knows what to expect in its battle against McLaren. Leclerc has already been burned and remains extremely cautious in his predictions, while Hamilton has yet to complete his final race simulation. After three days of testing in Bahrain, it would be inaccurate to say that the SF-25 has fully convinced spectators and experts alike. Once on track, the new car showed potential but remains a work in progress. In Maranello, they speak of "settings to be calibrated." Beyond outright performance—any real verdict on which is reserved for March 16—the Bahrain tests have left some doubts about the SF-25’s firepower.

Red Bull has been somewhat disappointed with its own tests and sees Ferrari as the closest rival to McLaren—a sign, according to its French technical director, that the SF-25 has been hiding its true potential more than others. The reigning Constructors’ Champions have taken a risk with the MCL39 in an effort to make the championship a one-sided affair, yet they admit: "We don’t trust Ferrari at all."

Ferrari’s engineers are now analyzing the data gathered during the three days of testing in Sakhir. At no point was the Bahrain program designed to chase outright performance, apart from a few targeted glimpses. The team’s reluctance to show its full potential is supported by data and a testing program focused on understanding the car’s mechanical platform—how it reacts to setup changes and tire management.

The car performed largely as they expected, with a "stronger" front end, though still needing optimization due to an inverted pull-rod suspension that demands greater mechanical understanding. This factor has also affected braking behavior, which has changed, directly or indirectly. Despite some lingering questions, Ferrari is approaching its challenges with caution, treating them as "growing pains." Aerodynamic data from Bahrain does not indicate any correlation issues, and reports suggest that nothing anomalous has emerged from winter wind tunnel work. The car was built with a major redistribution of weight, including a shortened gearbox casing to shift weight balance forward. Such a radical change inevitably alters reference points compared to last season.

Leclerc and Hamilton are currently in Maranello for three days of simulator work aimed at fine-tuning their understanding of the car ahead of Australia.

The car’s aerodynamic setup will remain largely unchanged, with the new-generation rear wing—featuring a more pronounced "spoon" shape—serving as a cornerstone of a broader configuration likely to be used frequently on medium-downforce circuits.

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dialtone wrote:
05 Mar 2025, 17:36
Upgrades are aimed at fixing the stuff they found during testing or early cfd/sim work.

They aren’t going to bring updates to go in new development directions that would sidetrack the work.
I believe that testing is not about the specifics of the package on the car these days with such limited time.

I would expect a testing program to be looking for correlation of performance first, then consistency of that performance. After that would likely be things like replication of that performance across small set up changes.

Update parts are already in development, testing is not finding the faults, it's validation of the data they have been using for future.

Recently though, Ferrari have been using the base car for the first few races in a conservative approach to the season.

This year they need to ramp up the challenge. They're a stronger race outfit than McLaren since Vasseur, technically on par at least in development, and with Red Bull weakened for the moment, this is a good time to win at least one of the titles.

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McLaren were behind Ferrari at the start of 2024 and finished ahead in both points and race pace, so not sure how they are on par in terms of development…