2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

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Chuckjr wrote:
05 Mar 2025, 20:06

That my friend is the work of Liberty media, who consider F1 to be nothing more than an entertainment and money generating sit com, not an epic sport rich in history, tragedy, and glory. No track, no tradition, no location is sacred in F1 anymore, and it is going to worsen because Liberty has no shame.
While what you say is true, it was 10x worse back in the days of Bernie and Max Mosley, except all behind the scenes

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Macklaren wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 03:36
Chuckjr wrote:
05 Mar 2025, 20:06

That my friend is the work of Liberty media, who consider F1 to be nothing more than an entertainment and money generating sit com, not an epic sport rich in history, tragedy, and glory. No track, no tradition, no location is sacred in F1 anymore, and it is going to worsen because Liberty has no shame.
While what you say is true, it was 10x worse back in the days of Bernie and Max Mosley, except all behind the scenes
Don't forget, few teams could compete financially for engineers with the big 4 before the CAP. So there wasn't as much of this going on. Now, the big 4 have been hemroging engineers since a couple of years before the CAP. It's expected for teams to protect their edge by limiting access to their turf.

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diffuser wrote:
05 Mar 2025, 23:48
-wkst- wrote:
05 Mar 2025, 23:06
zoroastar wrote:
05 Mar 2025, 17:52


i believe that the rules also allow a team to recoup hours not used in the following quarter if all the time isnt used too though. im not able to post it atm
I didn’t read of such a rule, but everybody can read the sporting regulations. It’s no mystery.

I highly doubt though, would even rule it out, that AMR didn’t use any wind tunnel time in 2025 so far, in the first ATR…
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... -12-16.pdf

Page 66 under "2. Restricted Wind Tunnel Testing (RWTT)"

The FIA will consider, at its absolute discretion, earlier or temporary nominations if a wind
tunnel already nominated by a team Competitor suffers a long term failure or for the purpose
of evaluating alternative wind tunnels. If a different facility is to be used or if the existing facility
is changed or upgraded,
other than for routine maintenance or replacement, then a new
declaration must be submitted to the FIA within one month of the change or at the time of
submission of a testing period report whichever is earlier.
thanks :) you did the work for me. i thought that was for situations just like aston are in right now, while bringing in the new WT. i assume they would have had it approved in advance. and the FIA really dont have a solid reason to deny the request

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The current regulations (2024 released), fia.com:
1 General conditions

c. An Aerodynamic Testing Period (ATP) is a period of consecutive calendar weeks for the purposes of evaluation of the limits within this Article. As soon as one ATP ends a new one begins, with no gaps between them.

There will be 6 ATPs in any year. The dates of these periods will be as follows:

i. Period 1 will start on 1 January and finish at the end of week 9.
ii. Periods 2, 3 and 5 will run for exactly 8 weeks each.
iii. Period 4 will run for 10 weeks, comprising the Summer Factory Shutdown described in Article 24.1.
iv. Period 6 will end on the 31 December.


2 Restricted Wind Tunnel Testing (RWTT)

RWTT may only be carried out in wind tunnels which have been nominated by the Competitor to the FIA. Each Competitor may nominate only one wind tunnel for use in any one twelve month period and declare it in writing to the FIA. For a new entrant, the nomination must be made no later than 7 days after the date on which it officially becomes a Competitor. No re-nominations may be made for at least 12 months. Nominations should include the facility location, unique identification of the wind tunnel and the scale of model and RATG to be used. The FIA will consider, at its absolute discretion, earlier or temporary nominations if a wind tunnel already nominated by a Competitor suffers a long term failure or for the purpose of evaluating alternative wind tunnels. If a different facility is to be used or if the existing facility is changed or upgraded, other than for routine maintenance or replacement, then a new declaration must be submitted to the FIA within one month of the change or at the time of submission of a testing period report whichever is earlier.

d. In the event of a demonstrated wind tunnel failure or other Force Majeure the FIA will consider, at its absolute discretion, permitting additional occupancy to be used to compensate for that which is lost as a result.


5 Exceptions to the Aerodynamic Testing Restrictions (ATR)

e. Wind tunnel testing that uses a RATG for the sole purpose of the conditioning of wind tunnel infrastructure or the development of wind tunnel infrastructure (including all of its sub-systems such as rolling road, model motion system, force balance, wind tunnel model spine, sensors etc.) and methodology may be performed and will not count towards the accumulation of runs, wind-on time, and occupancy subject to the testing complying with either of the following restrictions:

i. The front wing group and the rear wing group of the RATG must be removed from the wind tunnel for the duration of the testing. Alternatively, either one of or both the wing groups may be retained on the model, but each that remains must be fitted with a bluff cover that has been approved for this purpose by the FIA. The front and rear wing groups will be considered to be bodywork described by Articles 3.9 and 3.10 of the Technical Regulations respectively.

ii. A RATG is used which is more than 12 months old, or represents an FIA approved CAD geometry provided for this purpose and that no modification is made to this previously tested RATG or FIA approved geometry.
They can nominate the new wind tunnel once it's ready. Until then they obviously use the Brackley tunnel.

The only way to have more wind tunnel time later is if a failure appears, which is not the case at AMR.

And at the last part the exceptions to the ATR (I guess that's what they are doing in Silverstone since months).

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Spanish camp says Aston is seventh fastest car but things could change during the season if an upgrade package makes the car come alive.

Personally, considering the wind tunnel is still not ready and the 2026 model cannot be put on the tunnel yet, I think Newey might have at least a quick look at this car. But who knows, I could be wrong.

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KimiRai wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 13:58
Spanish camp says Aston is seventh fastest car but things could change during the season if an upgrade package makes the car come alive.

Personally, considering the wind tunnel is still not ready and the 2026 model cannot be put on the tunnel yet, I think Newey might have at least a quick look at this car. But who knows, I could be wrong.
The pictures you posted of me in amr25 thread, showed that they've made a major change to the diffuser to increase stability. I also think that diffuser is rather crued. I suspect that they could upgrade it fairly easily for Australia.

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I still think the car is 5th quickest in alonsos hands.

Also we have the new/upgraded simulator which helped a lot in qatar. So hopefully we can get quicker over the course of a weekend

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Let's say theoretically Adrian arrive in factory on Monday whit detailed drawing of the floor and diffuser, how long it takes for it to be ready for the car?
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Some of you are sounding very desperate. :lol:

Come on now. Why would Newey spend any time on this car? And why would Aston spend more than what's already been budgeted to fix it if its not performing at a high level? The 2026 project needs as much resources as possible as early as reasonably possible.

Multiple teams have had 2026 models in the wind tunnel since the beginning of January. If Aston hasn't, they're already behind.

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Speak of the devil, look who it is.



JPower wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 17:06
Multiple teams have had 2026 models in the wind tunnel since the beginning of January. If Aston hasn't, they're already behind.
If it is true that they only want to put the 2026 model into the new wind tunnel and not the Mercedes one then they are for sure behind.
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SSJ4 wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 16:43
Also we have the new/upgraded simulator which helped a lot in qatar. So hopefully we can get quicker over the course of a weekend
Let's see, for me this sim thing looks a bit overhyped right now. Juncardella (new team member, won't say anything negative) just said that it's better than their old one and it helped during the weekend (I guess even their old sim helped during the weekend a bit). But isn't the real goal of the sim to prepare the set-up of the car already in the days before the event, to have a little time advantage over the opponents?...

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KimiRai wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 17:13
Speak of the devil, look who it is.



JPower wrote:
06 Mar 2025, 17:06
Multiple teams have had 2026 models in the wind tunnel since the beginning of January. If Aston hasn't, they're already behind.
If it is true that they only want to put the 2026 model into the new wind tunnel and not the Mercedes one then they are for sure behind.
No, Aston just will put the AMR26 in the new wind tunnel and he is not working yet, just next month, acording De La Rosa, and Aston is "reserving" some hours to Adrian use on AMR26 when they finally can start, until now, he should help on AMR25 . For the articles, this desavantage will be "compensate" because Adrian can put more experience in the 2026 project than they expected before, if they started in january, he would have less influence in the project and less wind tunnel hours.The Motorsport Italia already delay the winner project to 2027 instead 2026. So, its logical, but, Alonso will renew to 2027 at least? i think yes, personally, but just 2027, or maximun until 2028 and after that Max should arrive. So, We have a interesting year coming now. Lets see.