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Rikrikrik wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 09:22
vas_04614 wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 09:04
As per this, Williams and racing bulls are ahead and Alpine at par with Aston. So effectively 7-8th team
https://i.postimg.cc/25Rkj8f4/6qzmvh1rjloe1.png
The 22.4 from Alonso after 12 laps is a good signs, at least. But looking Alonso's onboard, the car is so much stable and driveable than last year. Williams is a rocket or they are playing for media.
Looking at the times it looks more stable, hoping more improvements in races to come...

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Seeing how lap time evolved, I think both Aston had more race pace. Depending on the situation, Aston can be anywhere between 5th to 8th.I am more sceptical about qualifying pace though.

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As always ALO started the stint very carefully (slow ), keep that in mind. Also don't forget that AMR boxed already 10 minutes after FP1 started, they had pretty "fresh" mediums at the start of the long run.

Some words from Cowells in the press conference:
Q: Let’s talk about something that’s just happening at Silverstone. The new wind tunnel is now online. Tell us about the advantages it gives you that you weren’t getting using the Mercedes tunnel before.

AC: Yeah, it’s been a big project with lots of people working on it, so it’s great to see it finally come online as our nominated wind tunnel for development work. It’s got some great technology, great technology in the measurement systems and within the model that goes in the tunnel. Having everything in one location… The aerodynamicists don’t even need to put a coat on to go to the wind tunnel now! Before, it was about loading the model into a van, driving it down a bumpy dual carriageway, and hoping it was still in the same condition at the other end. From an efficiency, but, the challenge everybody has of trying to understand what goes on with the aerodynamics on track, compared with the wind tunnel, compared with CFD – those three worlds that the aerodynamicists battle with, we believe this new wind tunnel gives us greater understanding and greater mechanisms for understanding the flow physics and the streams going over the car.

Q: Final one from me. What was Adrian Newey’s reaction when he saw it for the first time?

AC: Yeah, we went for a wander, without needing to put our coats on, into the wind tunnel, and it was great to see him stood in the section, having a look at it, the technology and the model and the measurement equipment. But then he was very quickly back in the engineering office, looking at the 2026 regulations and working out the compromises needed to create a fast race car under the new rules

Q: (Michael Doyle – ABC Sport). Andy, you touched on Adrian Newey already looking at next year’s regulations. As a team principal, how do you balance between making sure you have a competitive car this year but also start next year on the front foot with a really good challenger?

AC: Great question and something we’re all balancing up. We’ve got 24 races this year, and we all want to develop our cars and we’ve got a new regulations set for next and we’ve got different aerodynamics, powertrains, and fuels. How do you balance that in a world with a cost cap and there are aero restrictions and in CFD and in the wind tunnel. We have to make judgments and work out what to do. Adrian joining brings a huge amount of experience and a gr3eat competitive mindset and the choice we have made at the moment is that Adrian is working on the 2026 car, he’s putting a lot of effort into that and understanding that. Maybe when we’ve learned where our car is, it’s strengths and weaknesses, in the opening races, he’ll come up with the odd development tweak for the 2025 car. We’ve got a new wind tunnel and we have got a lot of equipment within the factory and we are trying to develop and build those tools so they all fit together and build the team, the team spirit, so that we’re focused on creating the fastest race car we possibly can.

Q: Andy, will the date that you switch to '26 be influenced by 2025's Constructors' Championship position?

AC: I think for all three of us sat here on the sofa, the answer is yes to that. It depends. If you're leading the championship, you'll put effort into winning the championship that year. We've got new regulations, and we're taking the step to be a works team, creating all the components ourselves, developing the power unit with Honda, and working on sustainable fuels with Aramco. There's a big jobs list to work on, a huge amount of effort going into it, lots of enthusiasm and team spirit. But that's our challenge, and I guess everybody's in a slightly different position.
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vas_04614 wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 09:04
As per this, Williams and racing bulls are ahead and Alpine at par with Aston. So effectively 7-8th team
https://i.postimg.cc/25Rkj8f4/6qzmvh1rjloe1.png
Alonso was whole time behind the Haas dirth air till didnt past it.After the last 3-4 lap,he got faster.

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The innovations behind Aston Martin's new wind tunnel and how Newey could help

Adrian Newey assigned to drafting 2026 Aston Martin concepts, but could be involved with this year's F1 car as new wind tunnel opens for service

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Aston Martin starts using new wind tunnel
Photo by: Aston Martin
Aston Martin's all-new Formula 1 wind tunnel has now been fired up for the team's development work for the 2025 and 2026 seasons - and team principal Andy Cowell hasn't ruled out Adrian Newey getting involved in its current-season development.

The new wind tunnel has had a lengthy gestation period, with commissioning work taking place in the second half of 2024 before the tunnel could start to be calibrated and then used to underpin the team's simulation work.

Aston Martin has spent the last decade and a half using Mercedes' wind tunnel facilities in Brackley; although the team had its own tunnel at the other end of the Northamptonshire town, this was a throwback to its days as Jordan and scarcely used for anything other than office space.

Team principal Andy Cowell joked that the aerodynamicists no longer had to "put a coat on" to begin work at the new wind tunnel, and that it features a wealth of technology that he believes enhances the team's understanding of flow conditions versus what it was used to with the Mercedes wind tunnel.

"It's been a big project with lots of people working on it, so it's great to see it's now our nominated wind tunnel and doing development work," Cowell said.

"It's got some great technology in the in the measurement systems and within the model that goes within the tunnel - and just having everything together in one location, the aerodynamicists don't even need to put a coat on to go to the wind tunnel, they just walk through!

"Before, it was loading the model into a van and down a bumpy dual carriageway and hoping it was still in the same condition when you took it out of the van at the other end.

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Photo by: Aston Martin
"From efficiency but also the challenge that everybody has of trying to understand what goes on with the aerodynamics on track compared with the wind tunnel compared with CFD, those three worlds that the aerodynamicists battle with.

"We believe that this new wind tunnel gives us greater understanding, greater mechanisms for understanding the flow physics of the streams going over the car."

The building in which Aston Martin's wind tunnel sits also contains additive manufacturing machinery (i.e. 3D printing tools) and the model building area to keep everything in one place.

Although much of the team's attention will be on 2026, Cowell explained that the team still had a desire to develop its 2025 machinery - thus diverting some of the wind tunnel time away from next year's all-new aerodynamic regulations.

He did not rule out big-name signing Adrian Newey chipping in with any pearls of wisdom for its 2025 development, should he have time to look outside of his 2026 obligations.
"We all want to develop our cars, and there's the new regulation set for next year with different aerodynamics, different powertrains, different fuels," Cowell added.

"How do you balance that up in a world where there's a cost cap and there's aero restrictions in CFD and in the wind tunnel? We've all got to take our judgements and work out what to do.

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Photo by: Aston Martin

"Adrian joining brings a huge amount of experience and a great competitive mindset, and the choice that we've made at the moment is that Adrian's working on the 2026 car, he's putting a lot of effort into that and understanding that.
"Maybe when we've learned where our car is, its strengths, its weaknesses, in the opening few races, he'll help come up with the odd development tweak for the 2025 car.
"We've got a new wind tunnel, we've got lots of other equipment within the factory, and we're trying to develop and build those tools so that they all fit together and build the team spirit, so that we're focused on creating the fastest race car we possibly can."

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Rikrikrik wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 09:22
vas_04614 wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 09:04
As per this, Williams and racing bulls are ahead and Alpine at par with Aston. So effectively 7-8th team
https://i.postimg.cc/25Rkj8f4/6qzmvh1rjloe1.png
The 22.4 from Alonso after 12 laps is a good signs, at least. But looking Alonso's onboard, the car is so much stable and driveable than last year. Williams is a rocket or they are playing for media.
Alonso during post practice interview was very smug. Very pissed.
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Yeah, Alonso was not happy in the interview. Not sure why

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If Alonso would be happy with finishing FP2 in 13th and having a mic shoved in his face straight after then that would be unusual. This is normal.

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RedNEO wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 12:25
If Alonso would be happy with finishing FP2 in 13th and having a mic shoved in his face straight after then that would be unusual. This is normal.
I get that, but coming into this GP he was speaking about limited expectations and understanding the car was going to be near the back of the field (at least that is what I understood). Even last season in some tracks when we had the worst car on the grid, he wasn't that agitated.

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Looking at the telemetry it's clear Alonso wasn't pushing at all in the first corners while doing his long run and some other teams seem to be running slightly higher engine modes. It's too early to draw conclusions.
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Alo_Fan wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 12:27
RedNEO wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 12:25
If Alonso would be happy with finishing FP2 in 13th and having a mic shoved in his face straight after then that would be unusual. This is normal.
I get that, but coming into this GP he was speaking about limited expectations and understanding the car was going to be near the back of the field (at least that is what I understood). Even last season in some tracks when we had the worst car on the grid, he wasn't that agitated.
None of that matters at that moment. When you jump out of the car after a bad session those are the only things that will be going through your mind. Later im sure he will be able to reset and think about the upgrades coming but he’s only human.

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Its not a first time Alonso was angry about friday post practice interview he doesnt care about them

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It’s guaranteed to be a wet race so will be interesting to see what setup changes are gonna be made overnight.

I haven’t watched the free practice sessions yet. Did we run any flow viz

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When ALO starts being sarcastic for no reason - reporter was just asking a normal question - you don't have to look at the time sheets anymore. Unfortunately.

Maybe they/he had secretly higher hopes and now realizes that he has to do another 23 fridays, before eventually getting a chance again...

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-wkst- wrote:
14 Mar 2025, 14:36
When ALO starts being sarcastic for no reason - reporter was just asking a normal question - you don't have to look at the time sheets anymore. Unfortunately.

Maybe they/he had secretly higher hopes and now realizes that he has to do another 23 fridays, before eventually getting a chance again...

Post FP2 interviews are new. He's disliked them since they started last year, not sure why you think that has anything to do with the time sheets.

Not sure what to read into the long run times...when was the last time Alonso was .150 a lap slower in race pace that Stroll ????? Maybe they were running different setups ? maybe, as some suggested, he got stuck in traffic. Who knows.... Also if your lap times keep dropping in long runs, it's not a sign you're tires are wearing out. it just mean you weren't running fast or hard enough.