2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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They have to find a solution within the next few races because 2026 is already upon us.

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There were a lot of “People will be surprised come qualifying in Australia” comments after Bahrain, and yes, I am definitely very surprised

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djones wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 12:40
Such bad pace but at least Hamilton was close to Leclerc. Arguably faster if you use the best sector times.
They had issues with the tires overheating in S3, so it would've been impossible to maximize all three sectors in one single lap.

Anyways, the forecast seems locked in for rain at the time of the GP. I hope they prepared sufficiently for the cool temperatures as well, but I'm not holding my breath they secretly have the perfect chilly rain setup. Their surprise after Q3 yesterday and the drivers' comments indicated the team still doesn't have a good understanding of the car.

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.Bole wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 12:32
start working on 2026 today.
Won’t make much of a difference

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Ferrari ran into the exact same problem as RB looking at those graphs from Practice 3. Tyres overheating in the final sector leading to no improvement in qualifying. The C5 tyre does seem a bit soft for the type of high speed load that this track offers.

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Ferrari chose a beam wing config, softened the car and raised the ride height for rain tomorrow but were caught off guard by the balance, car had a lot of understeer, not in this article but Lewis also talked about how temps dropped and they did the same prep laps they were doing when the tires were overheating and should have done something different and been more dynamic. Stella and Wolff also said they dont take Ferrari's performance in quali at face value and that theyre much closer than they appeared

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/toto-w ... rand-prix/


https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-qualifi ... l-mercedes
Ferrari's biggest losses to McLaren occurred in Turn 4 (dry entry into a fast left-hand corner) and in turns 13 and
14, where the gap incurred was almost 3 tenths. In these two sections, especially the last one, it is understeer that dominates, with the car leading the two drivers more meters and then not being in the ideal trajectory in traction.
The SF-25 paid an average of McLaren from 5 to 6 km/h, by virtue of a beam wing more in terms of rain than the payapa. Instead, Mercedes and Red Bull focused on a rear wing one step lower, which in the dry certainly helped in qualifying. From what we know in Ferrari they had two setup options, with the team going for the more full wet conditions choice (Plan B). A more “drastic” choice in conditions to soften the car and increase ground clearance, than an initially more compromise choice between qualifying and race. It is clear that at Ferrari they were caught off guard by other factors related to the balance sheet, which complicated the ugliest qualification of the potential that the SF-25 could have put into practice.

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Luscion wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:07
Ferrari chose a beam wing config, softened the car and raised the ride height for rain tomorrow but were caught off guard by the balance, car had a lot of understeer, not in this article but Lewis also talked about how temps dropped and they did the same prep laps they were doing when the tires were overheating and should have done something different and been more dynamic. Stella and Wolff also said they dont take Ferrari's performance in quali at face value and that theyre much closer than they appeared

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/toto-w ... rand-prix/


https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-qualifi ... l-mercedes
Ferrari's biggest losses to McLaren occurred in Turn 4 (dry entry into a fast left-hand corner) and in turns 13 and
14, where the gap incurred was almost 3 tenths. In these two sections, especially the last one, it is understeer that dominates, with the car leading the two drivers more meters and then not being in the ideal trajectory in traction.
The SF-25 paid an average of McLaren from 5 to 6 km/h, by virtue of a beam wing more in terms of rain than the payapa. Instead, Mercedes and Red Bull focused on a rear wing one step lower, which in the dry certainly helped in qualifying. From what we know in Ferrari they had two setup options, with the team going for the more full wet conditions choice (Plan B). A more “drastic” choice in conditions to soften the car and increase ground clearance, than an initially more compromise choice between qualifying and race. It is clear that at Ferrari they were caught off guard by other factors related to the balance sheet, which complicated the ugliest qualification of the potential that the SF-25 could have put into practice.
They will have to absolutely fly in tomorrow rain to make this excuse believable. Sky Italy commentator wrote that they had to lower the car not to risk a DSQ for plank wear, would be worrying if true.

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Sergej wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 19:06
Luscion wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:07
Ferrari chose a beam wing config, softened the car and raised the ride height for rain tomorrow but were caught off guard by the balance, car had a lot of understeer, not in this article but Lewis also talked about how temps dropped and they did the same prep laps they were doing when the tires were overheating and should have done something different and been more dynamic. Stella and Wolff also said they dont take Ferrari's performance in quali at face value and that theyre much closer than they appeared

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/toto-w ... rand-prix/


https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-qualifi ... l-mercedes
Ferrari's biggest losses to McLaren occurred in Turn 4 (dry entry into a fast left-hand corner) and in turns 13 and
14, where the gap incurred was almost 3 tenths. In these two sections, especially the last one, it is understeer that dominates, with the car leading the two drivers more meters and then not being in the ideal trajectory in traction.
The SF-25 paid an average of McLaren from 5 to 6 km/h, by virtue of a beam wing more in terms of rain than the payapa. Instead, Mercedes and Red Bull focused on a rear wing one step lower, which in the dry certainly helped in qualifying. From what we know in Ferrari they had two setup options, with the team going for the more full wet conditions choice (Plan B). A more “drastic” choice in conditions to soften the car and increase ground clearance, than an initially more compromise choice between qualifying and race. It is clear that at Ferrari they were caught off guard by other factors related to the balance sheet, which complicated the ugliest qualification of the potential that the SF-25 could have put into practice.
They will have to absolutely fly in tomorrow rain to make this excuse believable. Sky Italy commentator wrote that they had to lower the car not to risk a DSQ for plank wear, would be worrying if true.
I'll believe someone like Giuliano Duchessa who has a long history of being a reliable source of news especially when it comes to Ferrari than a sky commentator. Post quali Leclerc also said they chose to lose a bit of performance and that it was the right thing to do for the weekend but said he wouldnt go into details about it. Saying all that i dont expect them to fly through the field and get a 1-2 finish

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Of course everyone can believe whatever makes him feel better. Lately Duchessa seems more like a Ferrari PR than an honest commentator, but it's ok. I guess tomorrow we'll find out more.

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 08:32
Leclerc:

The second lap I did wasn't that good, the first one was better and more representative. Otherwise, there wasn't much more in the car. It was very, very difficult to drive. Before qualifying, it was difficult to tell where we were because nobody was pushing. We knew we would be behind, but given how good the car felt yesterday, we had more hope for today than what we ended up getting.

Hamilton:

I generally feel good. It's been a lot of work to adapt to the car. It's really different to what I've had in the past. We didn't expect to be 7 tenths off however. Since I've never driven a car like this in the rain, that's what I'll spend tonight learning about.

Vasseur:

We lost pace between Q2 and Q3, but this isn't the end of the season. Let's just see what happens, though it's true we lost performance from yesterday to today. The 7 tenths between us and McLaren isn't representative, it's because we weren't able to complete proper laps in Q3.
The biggest problem is simply he 'we knew we were gonna be behind' part. Even in an optimal situation, they still knew Mclaren were gonna stomp everybody. Seems like 2nd will once again by the most Ferrari can hope for this year. All while I have absolutely no hope for next year and the new regulations with this current team. They're good, but they simply dont have 'it' that you need to create a championship-capable car.

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This!

During FP3 I was switching between HAM's and LEC's radio messages with their respective race engineer and they complained about overheating the rear tyres in S3! Then in qualy we could see HAM's spun in T12 down to overheating hence loosing the grip. Running slower in S1 didn't helped either on both drivers. More of that, LEC' fastest lap in Q3 was 0.012 slower than NOR's fastest lap just untill the same T12, afterwards loosing 6.5 tenths down to the same overheating/no rear grip situation.

Now bearing in mind that both WT and IT have a soft composition (close to C4 as Pirelli) and at the race time the track temp would be at least 25 degrees cooler than today, then we could clearly see why they put emphasis on increased load at the rear axle thus warming up quickly the tyres and (more of that) for a better tyre management during the race!

Case closed!
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Great start from Charles. Shame Lewis was squeezed on the exit of T1.

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The delay is against us if they really opted for rain setup.

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Ferrari have no idea what they're doing today. So much miscommunication between the team and the drivers. Both drivers left out of strategic decisions until they're in the midst of happening. Bozzi and Adami giving their drivers completely different information.

I don't even know what to say. The team has a lot to think about after this race. Reminds me a bit of how I felt after Silverstone. They did come back stronger after that... but they only have a few days between now and China.