2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[.Bole]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmLlvs0XAAA ... name=large

First lap on hard tyres.

No words.

Similiar thing was on friday and same thing was since 2022. We do some slow introduction for longevity.
This is why we also lost baku last year, how piastri gained over 2 seconds on our outlap and tires were cold for defending.

Its stupid pirelli --- also. Its crazy how over last few years tyres play the biggest thing, this narrow window seems to play the biggest role of all. And when one team nails it, you cant beat them for --- (first rbr and since last year mcl).

We kept hearing from ferrari megaphones (f1uno) for a year now that it needs 2025 car to solve these issues, only for them to be worse by the looks of it

[ScuderiaLeo]

I think what concerns me is the team's seeming lack of clarity about why this weekend went so poorly. I get it's a new car concept and they'll need time to fully understand how to optimize setup and extract maximum performance, but during the 2023 and 2024 seasons I very much got the sense that - even during the difficult stretches - the team was steady-headed and understood why they struggled, and understood how to optimize (even if a fully optimized car wasn't a consistent competitor for wins).

Unfortunately I get the sense the team was caught-out this weekend and don't really know why things went so poorly, which is mildly alarming. I guess the high expectations coming in play a big part in the disappointment; I really hope they haven't developed a fundamentally flawed racecar (either lacking in pace or predictability/consistency). Then again, I can't imagine their methodical technical approach and the knowledge that led to their significant increase in race pace last season, has evaporated, so that gives me some hope.

You said it better than I ever could. Their reiteration over and over this weekend and in testing that they don't fully understand the car yet is the most worrying thing and is why I'm not optimistic about their chances in China despite them normally being good on sprint weekends.

It's also not reassuring that Vasseur keeps mentioning last season as an example of why we shouldn't react to any of Ferrari's early failures this season. Teams are already putting 50% of their resources into 2026, it's impossible for the same situation to occur this year.

[Vinlarr89]

Fundamentally I doubt the car is completely flawed, it looked really solid on Friday.
The issue in this set of regs is that Ferrari is continually catching up and not leading.
I can’t knock them for the overhaul they have given the car, they really have changed it up over the closed season, but McLaren have been able to further perfect an already formidable concept.
What I can’t believe with the McLaren is how well it manages its tyres and at the same time how quickly it can switch them on. Nobody else comes close to this

[Luscion]

Yea like Fred said, i dont think race day in Australia was representative of Ferrari's true pace, in FP3 in the dry they were on pace in the long runs, they were a tenth off Mclaren in quali and messed up their prep laps on the last run and neither improved. SF-24 struggled in wet and mixed conditions and seems to be the same case for the SF-25 as well

[SoulPancake13]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmLlvs0XAAA ... name=large

First lap on hard tyres.

No words.

Similiar thing was on friday and same thing was since 2022. We do some slow introduction for longevity.
This is why we also lost baku last year, how piastri gained over 2 seconds on our outlap and tires were cold for defending.

Its stupid pirelli --- also. Its crazy how over last few years tyres play the biggest thing, this narrow window seems to play the biggest role of all. And when one team nails it, you cant beat them for --- (first rbr and since last year mcl).

We kept hearing from ferrari megaphones (f1uno) for a year now that it needs 2025 car to solve these issues, only for them to be worse by the looks of it

They probably didn't understand the issue in the first place then.

[Xyz22]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmLlvs0XAAA ... name=large

First lap on hard tyres.

No words.

Similiar thing was on friday and same thing was since 2022. We do some slow introduction for longevity.
This is why we also lost baku last year, how piastri gained over 2 seconds on our outlap and tires were cold for defending.

Its stupid pirelli --- also. Its crazy how over last few years tyres play the biggest thing, this narrow window seems to play the biggest role of all. And when one team nails it, you cant beat them for --- (first rbr and since last year mcl).

We kept hearing from ferrari megaphones (f1uno) for a year now that it needs 2025 car to solve these issues, only for them to be worse by the looks of it

This is worse. In Baku Piastri already had one lap on those tyres, in this instance, on the other hand, they were on the same level.
3s difference is insane.

[Vinlarr89]

Yeah. I would caveat that by saying that looking at the data, he was clearly being held by Russell at points during that lap, however the pure pace of the McLaren blew the rest of the field away on 42, it’s just not compatible to know how fast Ferrari would have been if they were directly behind

[catent]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmLlvs0XAAA ... name=large

First lap on hard tyres.

No words.

Similiar thing was on friday and same thing was since 2022. We do some slow introduction for longevity.
This is why we also lost baku last year, how piastri gained over 2 seconds on our outlap and tires were cold for defending.

Its stupid pirelli --- also. Its crazy how over last few years tyres play the biggest thing, this narrow window seems to play the biggest role of all. And when one team nails it, you cant beat them for --- (first rbr and since last year mcl).

We kept hearing from ferrari megaphones (f1uno) for a year now that it needs 2025 car to solve these issues, only for them to be worse by the looks of it

This is worse. In Baku Piastri already had one lap on those tyres, in this instance, on the other hand, they were on the same level.
3s difference is insane.

With cold, slick tires, on a wet track, this isn't as significant as it's being made out to be.

Leclerc was following another car during this lap, while Norris was driving in clear air, no? That alone is worth a lot of time in wet conditions given the spray and limited visibility. Just look at Leclerc during his first stint, Monaco 2022, compared to the cars following.

[catent]

I think what concerns me is the team's seeming lack of clarity about why this weekend went so poorly. I get it's a new car concept and they'll need time to fully understand how to optimize setup and extract maximum performance, but during the 2023 and 2024 seasons I very much got the sense that - even during the difficult stretches - the team was steady-headed and understood why they struggled, and understood how to optimize (even if a fully optimized car wasn't a consistent competitor for wins).

Unfortunately I get the sense the team was caught-out this weekend and don't really know why things went so poorly, which is mildly alarming. I guess the high expectations coming in play a big part in the disappointment; I really hope they haven't developed a fundamentally flawed racecar (either lacking in pace or predictability/consistency). Then again, I can't imagine their methodical technical approach and the knowledge that led to their significant increase in race pace last season, has evaporated, so that gives me some hope.

You said it better than I ever could. Their reiteration over and over this weekend and in testing that they don't fully understand the car yet is the most worrying thing and is why I'm not optimistic about their chances in China despite them normally being good on sprint weekends.

It's also not reassuring that Vasseur keeps mentioning last season as an example of why we shouldn't react to any of Ferrari's early failures this season. Teams are already putting 50% of their resources into 2026, it's impossible for the same situation to occur this year.

I read elsewhere Vasseur made a comment today along the lines of looking forward to China to see the full potential of the car.

I doubt he'd be making such comments if he was concerned the ride height issue was likely to persist moving forward.

Makes me feel more optimistic that the ride height / setup choices made this weekend was an error in judgment, rather than a compromise necessitated by a fundamental, inherent flaw in the car.

[Dee]

Someone on twitter @brakeboosted has proposed that it might be the gearbox.

Saying;

Bahrain Day 3 - Hydraulic problems
Bearman - Q gearbox issues
Lewis losing gear sync in race

Haas are using Ferrari's new gearbox and rear suspension.

Maybe that is the issue. The new configuration is stressing/damaging the gearbox and they have to raise the ride height to avoid failure...

[DJ Downforce]

Someone on twitter @brakeboosted has proposed that it might be the gearbox.

Saying;

Bahrain Day 3 - Hydraulic problems
Bearman - Q gearbox issues
Lewis losing gear sync in race

Haas are using Ferrari's new gearbox and rear suspension.

Maybe that is the issue. The new configuration is stressing/damaging the gearbox and they have to raise the ride height to avoid failure...

Oh my... I've been wondering why haas are so slow. I haven't heard Komatsu say anything, is he keeping quiet on a fatal Ferrari problem.

If this is true - it's very bad

[Luscion]

Someone on twitter @brakeboosted has proposed that it might be the gearbox.

Saying;

Bahrain Day 3 - Hydraulic problems
Bearman - Q gearbox issues
Lewis losing gear sync in race

Haas are using Ferrari's new gearbox and rear suspension.

Maybe that is the issue. The new configuration is stressing/damaging the gearbox and they have to raise the ride height to avoid failure...

Oh my... I've been wondering why haas are so slow. I haven't heard Komatsu say anything, is he keeping quiet on a fatal Ferrari problem.

If this is true - it's very bad

this is just someone on twitter speculating, i'd wait for some reliable sources on why Ferrari chose to raise the ride height

[catent]

It should be made clear that the user who shared that theory has disclosed that it's purely speculative.

[DJ Downforce]

It should be made clear that the user who shared that theory has disclosed that it's purely speculative.

Yes I'm aware. But brakeboosted isn't some complete clown. He called out the mini drs in fact. It's a theory which makes sense when you think about it - I've been puzzled about Haas all weekend.

Let's see in China though. It's a good opportunity for a bounce back and to raise morale both in the team and for us commentating

[Downforce777]

if you look at FP2, Ferrari had a particularly strong spark in turn 6, as well as in turns 11-12, they clearly drove lower in FP2, in FP3 Ferrari lifted the car and even in qualifying Leclerc showed a speed of 242 in turn 6, in turn 14 - 241 are the best indicators among all cars, I think the basic downforce of the car is excellent, the only question is why and why did they lift car on Saturday