2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Luscion]

Was there any Race simulation done by any constructor for Chinese GP?

[bluechris]

Guys the last year's Leclerc especially was good in late braking and i didn't saw that in the 1st 2 races. Ok the comparison video was with Hamilton but if the car was pretty good under braking, Hamilton is no slouch and he could had copy that if he saw Leclerc.
For this reason i think there is improvement in the horizon.

[dialtone]

So one sample point, at a unique track like Monaco.

Low level trolling…

[bluechris]

Does Leclerc said anything what was his problem today?

[Xyz22]

Does Leclerc said anything what was his problem today?

Turn 1-2-3

But i have a feeling that Lewis did really an amazing lap.

[ryaan2904]

Well where's your evidence?
Happy to prove you wrong. But that's for another thread.
Keep in mind I am not talking about this ground effect era. I am talking from 2010 till now.

I’m not gonna go back to posts from 3 years ago for this… lookup monaco 2022 for an example here, Ferrari was later on brakes and earlier on acceleration.

Any race with my telemetry analysis that year shows Ferrari being better on braking. RedBull even changed brake manufacturer in the last 3 years as they weren’t happy with it.

So one sample point, at a unique track like Monaco.
I agree with the early acceleration. Ferrari quite good on the traction because of their PU characteristics.

Anyhow focusing on this track Max is noticeably later on the brakes with deeper turn in and it is wrong to assume Charles or Lewis, who are known heavy brakers, are being soft on the brakes and needing to "learn how to brake" like some are suggesting. The car just doesnt have any more in it.
Long story short, I am not so confident with the rest of the weekend for the race pace.
The car still has a lot of understeer and Mclaren mercedes and redbull will get sorted after collecting data from the sprint.
I'm a bit pessimistic about the prospects.

There was this last lap lunge overtake by Leclerc as well in Las Vegas on Perez. It was in 2024 i think. He got overtake of the year for it and it was all late braking

[ryaan2904]

Baku 2024 is another good one. McLaren only won that one due to their mini drs

[ScuderiaLeo]

There was this last lap lunge overtake by Leclerc as well in Las Vegas on Perez. It was in 2024 i think. He got overtake of the year for it and it was all late braking

That was 2023.

2024 had very different vibes for Ferrari, LOL...

[hollus]

Gentlemen, drop the man to man full court press of other users. Thanks.
It is OK to politely dissagree, don't pick up fights for the fun of it.

[ringo]

Just adding some technical info here. The steepness of the curve when car cuts speed on the telemetry gives the deceleration of the cars.
Some may look on when the braking starts and it's easy to assume that if it starts later or earlier the traction is great or poor. But you really look at how steep it is and on the brake pedal trace for the braking effort.
The other thing is the tyre prep, deg and the downforce setting of the car. In a race on different tyre strategies things arent so comparable. The same stint length, tyre age gives better insights.
Cornering speeds onnthe other hand are pretty straight forward to interpret. But those will also show if the driver went in too hot, or slowed too much or if the car simply doesnt have the downforce.

[dialtone]

After watching this video:



I actually think if Ferrari can work out the braking alone they will be significantly closer to MCL, easily the weakest part of their lap. Even efficiency of the car is great, HAM made a clear mistake at the exit of T13 and still gained in the straight against Max.

traction and medium speed is very strong if you don't have to tip the brake to entry because... braking/entry is fairly weak overall.

[ringo]

What's the mistake exactly? Maybe it's in the onboards, but not seeing anything on this lovely animated video.
Keep in mind how the driver/team chooses to use the tyres. They may plan to use up the grip in the earlier sectors and struggle a bit near the end.
Or in the case of redbull save some of the juice for the last sector, which worked out very well but just lost out by a smidge.

Onboard:


Ok a torque spike midcorner. Not sure much time was lost there. That's down to pu mapping and whats left of the tyres. That corner is demanding. Long radius with full throttle.

Hamilton was hesitant in the final corner and adjusted lock. Didnt fully commit. I think more time was lost there.

Theyre going to need more downforce/stability to improve braking. Not much else can be done for the brakes/tyres.

[dans79]

What's the mistake exactly?

I think he is talking about the oversteer in the transition from turn 12 to 13.

[Seanspeed]

What's the mistake exactly?

I think he is talking about the oversteer in the transition from turn 12 to 13.

Really insignificant. No lift or anything needed, it was a very minor correction.

The lack of braking performance is quite worrying, though. Maybe there was just less heat in the tires because Lewis was taking more conservative(but ultimately faster) lines? Very hard to explain how a car that's at the front of the grid and certainly not lacking in medium-high speed cornering can lose so drastically under braking. That's the sort of thing you'd usually see comparing top cars with bottom 10 cars or something.

Would be great if we had comparisons of Lewis and Charles laps(not for fighting over, just to see where differences and similarities are).

[dans79]

Would be great if we had comparisons of Lewis and Charles laps(not for fighting over, just to see where differences and similarities are).

I'm away from my desk at the moment so I can't pull specifics up but you can do a trace comparison on https://www.f1-tempo.com/ .