2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Emag]

Hamilton said to Sky (Italia) that raising the car a little bit was one of multi changes they made to the car after the sprint. I think it’s fair to say Hamilton’s pace in the sprint (and sprint quali) was with the car operating within an illegal window. Oscar has been denied having 2 wins this weekend it seems

That puts the sprint performance of the car under scrutiny. From the FIA documents they didn't check the skid wear on any of the cars after the sprint. Rest assured they will be doing that next time

They can probably get away with running lower on the sprint regardless, because the race lasts much less.

[DJ Downforce]

Everyone on here during pre season: "they're changing suspension concepts guys it will take a few races for them to dial it in and figure it out"

Now that this is a reality: "ahhhh what's going on fire vasseur fire everyone"

Yes the double dsq is unacceptable but stop bashing the car so much. If it's still peaky and unsure by Saudi Arabia then it's time to be concerned.

[Vinlarr89]

Ahhh ok. Big mistake then

[ScuderiaLeo]

Everyone on here during pre season: "they're changing suspension concepts guys it will take a few races for them to dial it in and figure it out"

Now that this is a reality: "ahhhh what's going on fire vasseur fire everyone"

Yes the double dsq is unacceptable but stop bashing the car so much. If it's still peaky and unsure by Saudi Arabia then it's time to be concerned.

I feel like most posts so far today have been complaining about the operational issues, not the car. At least the car stuff is more speculation than anything, but the operational issues are clear as day.

[Farnborough]

Hamilton said to Sky (Italia) that raising the car a little bit was one of multi changes they made to the car after the sprint. I think it’s fair to say Hamilton’s pace in the sprint (and sprint quali) was with the car operating within an illegal window. Oscar has been denied having 2 wins this weekend it seems

That puts the sprint performance of the car under scrutiny. From the FIA documents they didn't check the skid wear on any of the cars after the sprint. Rest assured they will be doing that next time

They can probably get away with running lower on the sprint regardless, because the race lasts much less.

Yes, exactly.

Its not illegal to run it low, but how much the plank is worn.

Nothing illegal about the sprint. But it didn't go on long enough to wear more off that plank.

The side of floor height is in relation to reference point on chassis, not from floor as I understand it.

[sypack]

Hamilton said to Sky (Italia) that raising the car a little bit was one of multi changes they made to the car after the sprint. I think it’s fair to say Hamilton’s pace in the sprint (and sprint quali) was with the car operating within an illegal window. Oscar has been denied having 2 wins this weekend it seems

No it's not fair to say that. There were only 19 laps, so the wear should have been within the limits.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

Did Hamilton's blank checked after sprint?

[SoulPancake13]

My assumption is that they will need a totally new floor + diffuser to solve the issue so we might be in for a hell of a start unless the engineers figure out something ASAP

[.Bole]

They have risen the floor after sprint according to italian media, but not enough. They say 1mm increase can cost even 2 tenths or more.
We are going to be nowhere in suzuka and pretty much all season unless this is fixed asap.

[Farnborough]

Did Hamilton's blank checked after sprint?

I believe its one of the components (on a list of items) that can be changed under parc fermè rules. Effectively a new one can be fitted, as I understand that.
There's things like fluids and/or swapping damaged parts (exactly the same specification etc) if that needs to be done.

If a part the same was not available, then pit lane start. You'd need to read the rules about this to see precisely.

[ringo]

Good to have these issues now, to impart improvements on mid season upgrades.

0.5 mm is not a lot of distance. I think posters are being overly critical. Anyone could have got that wrong on the day.
Also keep in mind Fred's philosophy is for the team to take more risks. They are doing that together. So now they know they can back off the ride height a bit. They now have the luxury of knowing exactly how low they can go, and how light they can go.
The bigger issue with SF25 is the speed. The car's just not fast enough for long enough in a race.
We are a solid 4th fastest.

The aero guys need to slap on some Mclaren sidepods and floor and see where it takes the car.
The suspension is spot on, I think it has the best compromises. We just need to sort out the aero.

[Farnborough]

My assumption is that they will need a totally new floor + diffuser to solve the issue so we might be in for a hell of a start unless the engineers figure out something ASAP

That's, in a nutshell, the essence of performance in this era. The better understanding and implementation of that, the better the performance.

Comes to the "classic" numbers in CFD & Tunnel vs the real world on track fluctuations in use.

It's easy when written, so hard to do though

[CjC]

0.5 out of 9mm is 5.55%.
Missing a target by 5% is 'sloppy' by F1 engineering standards. I am not ready to believe that people within the team 'didn't know it' when they setup the car. It's simply not possible. Still decided to 'wing it' I suppose.




I have posted so many times in this thread, about how tifosi wear their emotions on their sleeves and how this thread swings from elation to despair within a span of one or two sessions on a weekend. So, while I understand your perspective, I think the team deserves a lot of flak for the skidwear mistake - running really low and with not-so-stiff suspension -> any amateur stock car racing team would know that bottoming out is a big risk with this combination. So it's not a case of 'not expecting'. It's a case of 'maybe we can escape scrutiny'. A 10 second pitstop team like Kick Sauber wouldn't do this, why did Ferrari ? The biggest team in F1, with the biggest financial backing, with state of the art tech at their disposal. To 'not look bad' with a legal but slow car ? It's not the fact that they made a mistake that is irksome, it's the fact that they knowingly decided to go ahead with a mistake.




Come on, mate, don't you think this wouldn't have been addressed ? The FIA document clearly states that calibration was checked to be fine.



Really ? how do we know it was a legal car that Hamilton ran ? Just 19 laps and it would have probably been on the verge of skid wear limits already. PLease don't misunderstand me, I am not trying to be buzzkill ; but the very basic nature of the 'miss' is terribly irritating. 'Cheating with clever tech' is one thing, but cheating with hopes on 'not being checked' is terrible. Did no one in Ferrari examine Hamilton's plank after the sprint yesterday ? I can't and won't believe, that no one did. They must have surely. So there is no excuse of 'new tarmac, high grain, we didn't expect this much wear' either, to hide behind. The wear limit excess is 5% away from threshold, not 0.5 or 1 %.

Hamilton said to Sky (Italia) that raising the car a little bit was one of multi changes they made to the car after the sprint. I think it’s fair to say Hamilton’s pace in the sprint (and sprint quali) was with the car operating within an illegal window. Oscar has been denied having 2 wins this weekend it seems

1mm of plank wear metered over a sprint quali and 19lap sprint race vs 1mm of wear over the main quali and 55lap race (no parc ferme rules inbetween the two so it’s likely they changed the plank). That’s what they are solving for and that’s why the differeing ride heights. It doesn’t make the sprint illegal

Hamilton said to Sky (Italia) that raising the car a little bit was one of multi changes they made to the car after the sprint. I think it’s fair to say Hamilton’s pace in the sprint (and sprint quali) was with the car operating within an illegal window. Oscar has been denied having 2 wins this weekend it seems

No it's not fair to say that. There were only 19 laps, so the wear should have been within the limits.

Not saying his car was illegal in the sprint, just the ride height choice put the car in an illegal window, giving a false representation of performance.
For arguments sake, if parc ferme wasn’t opened up between the sprint and the race so the car had to run at a height which wouldn’t cause excessive plank wear in the main race, Hamilton’s car would have to run in a less competitive operating window, more akin to what we saw in Australia meaning Hamilton’s wouldn’t have been on Sprint pole, wouldn’t have had all of that free air to run in and wouldn’t had the pace in the car to pull away once Oscar cleared Verstappen.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not taking anything away from Lewis, he did what he’s ment to do- drive the car that is under him as fast as possible, which he did.
Even as a fan of McLaren, I don’t like to see other cars DSQ’d because it muddies the true competitive picture.

[CjC]

Hamilton said to Sky (Italia) that raising the car a little bit was one of multi changes they made to the car after the sprint. I think it’s fair to say Hamilton’s pace in the sprint (and sprint quali) was with the car operating within an illegal window. Oscar has been denied having 2 wins this weekend it seems

You must be a Mcl fan come onto this board right? what about the 2 wins last season with illegal DRS?

Yes, I’ve been a Mclaren fan for a long, long time. Board? If you mean the Ferrari threads then yes, I don’t contribute much to the Ferrari threads as I spent most of my time in the McLaren ones.

If you don’t want me to inform you of what Hamilton said in his interview then I won’t if you don’t want me to?

Yes, I guess it was a bit of a jibe to include
Oscar in my post but I wasn’t being salty.

2 wins with an illegal drs? I don’t recall McLaren being disqualified from any races last season?

[CjC]

That puts the sprint performance of the car under scrutiny. From the FIA documents they didn't check the skid wear on any of the cars after the sprint. Rest assured they will be doing that next time

They can probably get away with running lower on the sprint regardless, because the race lasts much less.

Yes, exactly.

Its not illegal to run it low, but how much the plank is worn.

Nothing illegal about the sprint. But it didn't go on long enough to wear more off that plank.

The side of floor height is in relation to reference point on chassis, not from floor as I understand it.

I beginning to wonder if teams have been or will start to intentionally run the car lower in the sprints for more performance knowing they won’t cause excessive wear on the plank over 100 kms distance, then raise the ride height for the main race.