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It occured to me after Alonso heaped praise on Max, that he Alonso should go to Redbull.
Yuki only has 1 year at best.
Max is still winning, has #1 status, and a team of engineers designing a car around him, so has no reason to change teams.
Alonso could end his career at Redbull. He can also drive tricky cars so why not.
Aston is a waste of time as far as I see.
2027 would be their year. Alonso would be what? 45?
For Sure!!

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I am an Alonso fan since 20 years, of course he will finish to decline like everyone.

But for now issue is the car.

Best hope: 26 regulations, I want to see him on podiums and grab a win for his final f1 season.
So I hope a decent car next year, but obviously his career is behind.

In 27 Max will be driving the car it 26 Aston is correct.

Red Bull will decline strongly in 26

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GoranF1 wrote:
06 Apr 2025, 17:50
I never thought Alonso would enter into decline phase but he did.
He is now form wise where Schumacher was in 2012/2013.
Still good talent still there but just a shadow of his former relentless form.
Old Alonso would take this car to the front of midfield and podiums effortlessly.
Newey came to late into his life .
Can't tell if serious or irony because this car is far away from a podium :?

Another 0.5 tenths faster than Stroll, as in Australia, until he crashed. His streak of beating his team-mate in qualifying continues. The last time he lost was at Silverstone 24.

Nothing is wrong with Alonso. He's still doing well. I'rather see him take more risks (he has to with this car) and still be on a knife edge than being in a ‘Raikkonen phase’ where he's just there doing his routine and waiting to return home.

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Jambier wrote:
06 Apr 2025, 19:23
I am an Alonso fan since 20 years, of course he will finish to decline like everyone.

But for now issue is the car.

Best hope: 26 regulations, I want to see him on podiums and grab a win for his final f1 season.
So I hope a decent car next year, but obviously his career is behind.

In 27 Max will be driving the car it 26 Aston is correct.

Red Bull will decline strongly in 26
In this regulation, they couldn't build a better car than Mercedes or McLaren with the same engine and gearbox as Mercedes. In 26 wouldn't be any different.

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HardikS wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 22:47
Fluido wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 21:47
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05 Apr 2025, 21:42


Dude, apart from Max, I'd back Alonso to beat anyone over a season, his car is crap now, imagine him in the mclaren now.
I used to dislike Alonso, but have to respect what a freak he is.
Of course Alonso was one of best drivers from 1994 to now, but can he still perform on that level is question.
Also you forgot that Lewis in first year in F1 beat Alonso.
If you are really following Alonso from his return, then you should not ask the "perform on that level" question. I will give you his Aston stint performance report from the last 2 years. In 2023 he performed at his very best despite Aston downgrades in the second half of the season. He got 4th in the standings with an average of the 3rd or 4th best car over the whole season. In 2024, Aston's car was not at the level of 2023 because competitors improved while Aston regressed performance wise; even their single upgrades are not working after a long time.

In 2024 Aston was fifth fastest only in the first half; in the second half they were probably 7th or 8th fastest, and now in 2025 they are the same as in 2024. Sadly, Williams, Haas, and RB improved. So obviously there is frustration creeping in now due to lack of car performance, and to cover that, Alonso is driving very aggressively or pushing too much to gain time. This is the main reason for his frequent mistakes after last year's Imola upgrade package. If Alonso is performing very badly as you are questioning, then how is his pace still fast? Also, check his race start reaction time; it's very good.

Of course, I am not saying he is performing at a very top level considering all there are genuine reasons citing his age and body recovering from injury problems. But I can assure you, just give him some positive car performance upgrade packages, and then he will get back his motivation, and he will be back to his usual consistent top level like in the 1st half of 2023.

Lewis and Alonso both are greats of sport. If you are judging Alonso based on the 2007 season, then you're only downplaying Lewis's achievements. Alonso was not at his best in 2007, and also Lewis was fearless in his rookie season. Both tied at the same points despite one of the weakest Alonso season performances, so the word "BEAT" is totally disrespectful. Lewis himself under performed in many seasons, but that doesn't diminish his skills, achievements, and legacy. Try to respect rivals. Gone are those days when two number 1 champion-level drivers competed against each other for the title in the same season, like Prost-Senna or Hamilton-Alonso. Even current McLaren drivers are struggling despite their top car for the last 12 months, which has consistently performed at a great level. On the current grid, only Verstappen proved his champion caliber, while others are still improving or waiting for opportunities like getting a title-contending car. Also, Verstappen has yet to face a competitive teammate in the same team, while at least Leclerc and Russell faced Lewis as a teammate.

Every time Alonso performs badly, always his age or retirement questions are asked more and more, but those questioners forgot his 2023-24 performances. I think questions should be asked of the Aston Martin Aero Department team for lackluster car performance from the last 18 months. This year it will be make or break for Aston to prove that they can improve through in-season development rather than going backwards and looking clueless about what to do with the car. Now wind tunnel, correlation, and simulator excuses will not count as legit reasons for not performing because they have all the tools available now. So currently I am more worried about their car performance rather than drivers. Even Max complained and was frustrated a lot about the car's performance in the last year's second half, but the difference is Red Bull is at least at worst contending for top 5 positions, while Aston is fighting for getting in Q1.

I am eagerly waiting for the 2025 season's 1st major car upgrade, which may come at the Imola GP, so let's see what happens next. Please don't mention that we have to fully focus on 2026. Even in 2026, if you can get a good car from race 1, you still have to improve till the last race of the season.
the fact that this guy somehow snuck in a comment about "alonso losing to hamilton in his rookie year" and the fact that he all the sudden appears in the aston thread out of nowhere, proves to me that hes just a troll. going in the iggy bin over here

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Great drive by Alonso. He was at quali pace lap after lap at quali pace.

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zoroastar wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 02:20
HardikS wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 22:47
Fluido wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 21:47


Of course Alonso was one of best drivers from 1994 to now, but can he still perform on that level is question.
Also you forgot that Lewis in first year in F1 beat Alonso.
If you are really following Alonso from his return, then you should not ask the "perform on that level" question. I will give you his Aston stint performance report from the last 2 years. In 2023 he performed at his very best despite Aston downgrades in the second half of the season. He got 4th in the standings with an average of the 3rd or 4th best car over the whole season. In 2024, Aston's car was not at the level of 2023 because competitors improved while Aston regressed performance wise; even their single upgrades are not working after a long time.

In 2024 Aston was fifth fastest only in the first half; in the second half they were probably 7th or 8th fastest, and now in 2025 they are the same as in 2024. Sadly, Williams, Haas, and RB improved. So obviously there is frustration creeping in now due to lack of car performance, and to cover that, Alonso is driving very aggressively or pushing too much to gain time. This is the main reason for his frequent mistakes after last year's Imola upgrade package. If Alonso is performing very badly as you are questioning, then how is his pace still fast? Also, check his race start reaction time; it's very good.

Of course, I am not saying he is performing at a very top level considering all there are genuine reasons citing his age and body recovering from injury problems. But I can assure you, just give him some positive car performance upgrade packages, and then he will get back his motivation, and he will be back to his usual consistent top level like in the 1st half of 2023.

Lewis and Alonso both are greats of sport. If you are judging Alonso based on the 2007 season, then you're only downplaying Lewis's achievements. Alonso was not at his best in 2007, and also Lewis was fearless in his rookie season. Both tied at the same points despite one of the weakest Alonso season performances, so the word "BEAT" is totally disrespectful. Lewis himself under performed in many seasons, but that doesn't diminish his skills, achievements, and legacy. Try to respect rivals. Gone are those days when two number 1 champion-level drivers competed against each other for the title in the same season, like Prost-Senna or Hamilton-Alonso. Even current McLaren drivers are struggling despite their top car for the last 12 months, which has consistently performed at a great level. On the current grid, only Verstappen proved his champion caliber, while others are still improving or waiting for opportunities like getting a title-contending car. Also, Verstappen has yet to face a competitive teammate in the same team, while at least Leclerc and Russell faced Lewis as a teammate.

Every time Alonso performs badly, always his age or retirement questions are asked more and more, but those questioners forgot his 2023-24 performances. I think questions should be asked of the Aston Martin Aero Department team for lackluster car performance from the last 18 months. This year it will be make or break for Aston to prove that they can improve through in-season development rather than going backwards and looking clueless about what to do with the car. Now wind tunnel, correlation, and simulator excuses will not count as legit reasons for not performing because they have all the tools available now. So currently I am more worried about their car performance rather than drivers. Even Max complained and was frustrated a lot about the car's performance in the last year's second half, but the difference is Red Bull is at least at worst contending for top 5 positions, while Aston is fighting for getting in Q1.

I am eagerly waiting for the 2025 season's 1st major car upgrade, which may come at the Imola GP, so let's see what happens next. Please don't mention that we have to fully focus on 2026. Even in 2026, if you can get a good car from race 1, you still have to improve till the last race of the season.
the fact that this guy somehow snuck in a comment about "alonso losing to hamilton in his rookie year" and the fact that he all the sudden appears in the aston thread out of nowhere, proves to me that hes just a troll. going in the iggy bin over here
100% agree
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

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PinkFloydPulse wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 21:47
Farnborough wrote:
05 Apr 2025, 21:33
Is this thread forever going to be stuck in "is Alonso to old" and "when are they going to sign Max" loop ?

A groundhog day, circling ad infinitum, de ja vu, all over again :mrgreen:

Please make it stop, there's a season to be raced. All with the people in their own seats too :roll:
This thread has become full on cancer sadly… Hope they turn things around this year in some way, for team morale, if nothin else. If 2026 is to be a flop, my god…
yeah, this thread has become lame. there were maybe 2 overtakes in the whole race without a huge tire delta, and we got people saying alonso is old because he didnt put the car on the podium haha. even if alonso isnt as good as he was 10 years ago (or just 2, when he had a good car) what good is the constant speculation that nobody can prove? i mean seriously, aston arent mclaren or ferrari. they dont have a great history that people will support through thick and thin, whether winning or losing. the other driver is lance stroll. he doesnt have a following. alonso is the reason 90% of people are aston fans. if your supporting aston, why the negativity about alonso? a certain amount of people that follow f1 have been waiting for the day that alonso would fall off since 2007, and cant wait to jump at the chance to show their daggers. or people taking out astons lack of performance as somehow alonsos fault. if people dont want to support the driver we have, why do they "support" aston to begin with? there are plenty of other teams and drivers to bitch about haha

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We will never know about Alonso age limitation until AMR put a better driver next to him.
Having Lance Stroll as teammate dose make Alonso's life a lot easier since AMR is not expecting to win any championship or race this season.

Perhaps AN, as AMR shareholder and partner, will be able to influence the driver lineup for 2026.
For sure they will keep FA, but what about LS? Is he untouchable due to Lawrence Stroll?

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CHT wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 03:14
We will never know about Alonso age limitation until AMR put a better driver next to him.
Having Lance Stroll as teammate dose make Alonso's life a lot easier since AMR is not expecting to win any championship or race this season.

Perhaps AN, as AMR shareholder and partner, will be able to influence the driver lineup for 2026.
For sure they will keep FA, but what about LS? Is he untouchable due to Lawrence Stroll?
lance stroll wont be replaced until he starts losing championships for aston. hes good enough when theres a good car that they can say "see hes fast when the car is good". hes done fairly good against all his other teammates too. lance isnt going anywhere for a while i imagine. and if he does leave they are gonna make it look like it was his choice.

also, i think we will know if alonsos age has caught up to him when hes got a good car, in a tight championship battle against anyone. thats my opinion anyway

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zoroastar wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 03:33
CHT wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 03:14
We will never know about Alonso age limitation until AMR put a better driver next to him.
Having Lance Stroll as teammate dose make Alonso's life a lot easier since AMR is not expecting to win any championship or race this season.

Perhaps AN, as AMR shareholder and partner, will be able to influence the driver lineup for 2026.
For sure they will keep FA, but what about LS? Is he untouchable due to Lawrence Stroll?
lance stroll wont be replaced until he starts losing championships for aston. hes good enough when theres a good car that they can say "see hes fast when the car is good". hes done fairly good against all his other teammates too. lance isnt going anywhere for a while i imagine. and if he does leave they are gonna make it look like it was his choice.

also, i think we will know if alonsos age has caught up to him when hes in a tight championship battle against anyone. thats my opinion anyway
Lance Stroll is not hungry for success, he is only hungry for fame. For most driver, they will still push themselves even if they are not winning and hope they will find a seat in a better team.

For Lance, he doesnt need to impress a better team because there is no better team. AMR is his team.

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I remember people saying very similar things towards the end of his Alpine stint because Ocon had a few lucky results (bad luck for Alonso) and got more points than Alonso. Then he was putting AM on the podium in every race to start'23 and the focus immediately shifted to Lance being bad. The fact that he is 43 makes people immediately jump to his age as the reason. For the time being it all blown out of proportion. The car is bad. Lance was almost a pit stop behind 19th.

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CHT wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 03:14
(...) For sure they will keep FA, but what about LS? Is he untouchable due to Lawrence Stroll?
I think Lance will only leave if he wants to. And maybe, even if he wants to leave F1, he might have to convince his father. One of the main reasons Lawrence invested in an F1 team was to see his son become world champion (that must be his dream). There were some rumors in previous years that Lance no longer wanted to continue in F1 (although I don't believe those rumors at all).

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mvfad wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 04:26
CHT wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 03:14
(...) For sure they will keep FA, but what about LS? Is he untouchable due to Lawrence Stroll?
I think Lance will only leave if he wants to. And maybe, even if he wants to leave F1, he might have to convince his father. One of the main reasons Lawrence invested in an F1 team was to see his son become world champion (that must be his dream). There were some rumors in previous years that Lance no longer wanted to continue in F1 (although I don't believe those rumors at all).
AN has often emphasized the importance of chassis, engine and driver to deliver championship winning team
AN being such a competitive man, I do not see how we can expect him to compromise on anything to achieve his goal with AMR. For sure AN must have asked Lawrence about Lance and how serious he is to win the championship.

Perhaps Lance may retire from F1 after 2026, at least to get a chance of driving an AN designed F1 car.

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CHT wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 03:44
Lance Stroll is not hungry for success, he is only hungry for fame.
Don't think that's fair to say.

Others could say that ALO is lazy because he's never at the factory doing sim work (what Stroll does) and prefers staying at the Côte d’Azur between races. BS too.