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[Vettel165]

Everything is possible in f1, mark my words. I expect the unexpected.

[AR3-GP]

Yes I really feel Bahrain weekend will bring us crashing back to reality

They are slower than Mclaren. Has this ever been in question?

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Yes I really feel Bahrain weekend will bring us crashing back to reality

They are slower than Mclaren. Has this ever been in question?

I'm expecting a very big deficit though.

[f1isgood]

Yes I really feel Bahrain weekend will bring us crashing back to reality

They are slower than Mclaren. Has this ever been in question?

I'm expecting a very big deficit though.

Yep, Maccas are gonna be 30 seconds ahead come end of the race.

[Vettel165]

Red Bull was good in the slow-speed traction corners in Suzuka. Also ok over the kerbs with good top speed. We will probably be behind Mclaren, but hope we can at least fight for something big.

[Sergej]

Problem is not much the gap we'll have to McLaren, but that gap will probably be filled by Russell and possibly a resurgent Ferrari with their super hyped new floor.

[f1isgood]

Problem is not much the gap we'll have to McLaren, but that gap will probably be filled by Russell and possibly a resurgent Ferrari with their super hyped new floor.

+1. Ferrari Idk but Mercedes are definitely better even now. Russell is just bad around Suzuka I think. Can't remember a single good race of him there.

[AR3-GP]

The biggest problem is that the simulator is unreliable. They already have a lot of real-world data from Bahrain so I think it may go better than expected.

Jeddah: High speed track known for low-degradation. It will suit their aero efficiency (and less-so that of the Mclaren) so there's a chance to even think of winning in Jeddah.
Miami: It will be a very difficult race.
Imola: The updates must work.

Winning in Japan allows for some weaker races between Jeddah and Imola, but things must start to go forward in Imola including a big step with tire degradation because the hot summer months will be merciless.

[Watto]

I still heavily favor Lando or Oscar to win the WDX.


But I think a lot depends if and how well RBR update(s) work i'm very skeptical they are will got on top of their issues. If they had a stable base but needed to add speed I might get i tbut they have thus far still had a somewhat difficult car to drive.

If though the updates work well and its somewhere around the McLaren pace with Oscar and Lando taking points off each other plus perhaps the some wins by Ferrari or Mercedes and I think the Max factor as being very interesting.

If however RBR updates still don't make a big difference than well....


I think all things considered RBR/Max would take being 1 point off the WDC from pre season testing/early form.

You all know I am not in Max's camp, but I do not see Norris or Oscar beating Max over a season. They have the speed, but they falter once in a while. Max has more passion for racing. That guy eats and sleeps racing. I think he is going to be mentally at 100% 100% of the time this year. Just seeing How Norris got desperate and tried to exit the pitlane side by side and ending up in the grass.. It was embarrassing. He's already lost the championship mentally.
Mclaren need to be 3 tenths per lap faster to win. Not because these guys have less talent or speed, but they need that buffer not to be on the same piece of track as Max.

If Red Bull can get on top of their car, I think Max will win the WDC. I think they would be jumping for joy tbh that they are only 1 point behind at this point. I'm just less confident in the team being able to get on top of the issues than I am of Max

And agree on Landos attempt on the pit exit. I tend to wonder if it was he knew he couldn't beat Max and the only reason he did it was he was hoping he could get Max a penalty. I don't recall any time in the race where Lando really put pressure on Max no late braking trying a bold move never really got into the DRS zone. If roles were reversed there isn't a chance Max wouldn't have tried something even if it didn't work. Peter Windsor in his video mentioned Max constantly all race pulled a little gap on Lando on the hairpin ever lap and Lando never changed his line to see if he could stay closer - there isn't a chance Max IMO wouldn't have at least explored a few lines where he saw one of his weaknesses.



I think Oscar is a better race day driver but Lando has Oscar covered on quali most of the time. Max does both.

[euv2]

The biggest problem is that the simulator is unreliable. They already have a lot of real-world data from Bahrain so I think it may go better than expected.

Jeddah: High speed track known for low-degradation. It will suit their aero efficiency (and less-so that of the Mclaren) so there's a chance to even think of winning in Jeddah.
Miami: It will be a very difficult race.
Imola: The updates must work.

Winning in Japan allows for some weaker races between Jeddah and Imola, but things must start to go forward in Imola including a big step with tire degradation because the hot summer months will be merciless.

Bahrain should be good, if RBs slower corner and traction performance from Suzuka holds up. Only a few corners like 11, 14 could provide a challenge. But Merc and Ferrari will be closer too, I think the gap between the top might be the lowest yet here. I still have question marks over tire deg, we'll get a better idea in a more representative track and conditions.

'Don't underestimate the reg change at race 9 with these front wings. That could be a game changer'- This is what Christian Horner said when speaking to Channel 4.

So, Red bull's expectation is that the Imola update plus MCL finding it harder to get their balance right or having slightly more understeer mid corner together is what it will take to bring them close to the top.

[Bill]

The winter testing were done in bahrain and mclaren long run were very consistent with low deg and redbull was within two tenth of mclaren so they is no need to speculate.

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The winter testing were done in bahrain and mclaren long run were very consistent with low deg and redbull was within two tenth of mclaren so they is no need to speculate.

Cold temps suit us relative to McLaren. It will be a lot hotter

[f1isgood]

The winter testing were done in bahrain and mclaren long run were very consistent with low deg and redbull was within two tenth of mclaren so they is no need to speculate.

Cold temps suit us relative to McLaren. It will be a lot hotter

We don't know about that so far. It's true RB kills its front tires but that was because Max pushed to keep up with the Maccas in Australia and China sprint. Macca have a pace advantage of maybe 3 tenths in race trim -- don't push too much, tire won't deg of course. In Bahrain test, the cold temperatures did in fact bring McLaren into it's sweet spot as per Stella.

I think none of the races so far have given us any evidence this year to conclude McL lose their advantage in cold temps. They just have weaknesses elsewhere that don't allow them to basically have won everything so far.

[bananapeel23]

The winter testing were done in bahrain and mclaren long run were very consistent with low deg and redbull was within two tenth of mclaren so they is no need to speculate.

Cold temps suit us relative to McLaren. It will be a lot hotter

We don't know about that so far. It's true RB kills its front tires but that was because Max pushed to keep up with the Maccas in Australia and China sprint. Macca have a pace advantage of maybe 3 tenths in race trim -- don't push too much, tire won't deg of course. In Bahrain test, the cold temperatures did in fact bring McLaren into it's sweet spot as per Stella.

I think none of the races so far have given us any evidence this year to conclude McL lose their advantage in cold temps. They just have weaknesses elsewhere that don't allow them to basically have won everything so far.

Isn't Bahrain generally considered a very rear dominated track. If Red Bull kills front tyres, that should be less of a factor in Bahrain.

[chrisc90]

The fancy cake tins could help with tyre management too