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[venkyhere]

A nice video demonstrating Norris' sharpness and Verstappen's awareness :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym_41isdim8

[TNTHead]

https://postimg.cc/Pp5FbgsL

They should hire him for Verstappen's teammate.

He doesnot fit in a F1 car due to his height (1.93m).

[Sergej]

A nice video demonstrating Norris' sharpness and Verstappen's awareness :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym_41isdim8

So Norris almost risked speeding in pitlane to try to overtake Max...on the grass not sure I would call it "sharpness"

[basti313]

A nice video demonstrating Norris' sharpness and Verstappen's awareness :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym_41isdim8

So Norris almost risked speeding in pitlane to try to overtake Max...on the grass not sure I would call it "sharpness"

No...

I think there are two interesting points:
- Niels Wittich, former race director, said that the needed behavior is, that they have to slide in at the pit exit light. He also said that someone (maybe Lec, he was not sure) got a penalty for such an infringement. I could not find this example so far.
- Verstappen quite clearly missed the pit stop location. So the slow stop was his fault, not the team.

[Sergej]

A nice video demonstrating Norris' sharpness and Verstappen's awareness :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym_41isdim8

So Norris almost risked speeding in pitlane to try to overtake Max...on the grass not sure I would call it "sharpness"

No...

I think there are two interesting points:
- Niels Wittich, former race director, said that the needed behavior is, that they have to slide in at the pit exit light. He also said that someone (maybe Lec, he was not sure) got a penalty for such an infringement. I could not find this example so far.
- Verstappen quite clearly missed the pit stop location. So the slow stop was his fault, not the team.

not sure what "Verstappen quite clearly missed the pit stop location" (very good hyperbole ) has to do with Norris misjudging his chances to get Max past over the grass.

[AR3-GP]

- Verstappen quite clearly missed the pit stop location. So the slow stop was his fault, not the team.

Driver is perfect on the marks. Right rear tire was delayed. Team explained that reserve pit crew was simply slow.

[AR3-GP]

Ayumi Iwasa will replace Max in FP1 in Bahrain

[basti313]

- Verstappen quite clearly missed the pit stop location. So the slow stop was his fault, not the team.

Driver is perfect on the marks. Right rear tire was delayed. Team explained that reserve pit crew was simply slow.

https://i.postimg.cc/05BF4ZqW/image.png

In the video he is well over the front marks.

[AR3-GP]

- Verstappen quite clearly missed the pit stop location. So the slow stop was his fault, not the team.

Driver is perfect on the marks. Right rear tire was delayed. Team explained that reserve pit crew was simply slow.

https://i.postimg.cc/05BF4ZqW/image.png

In the video he is well over the front marks.

There is a clear image of the rear tire in the rear marks, which by extension means the front tire is in the front marks. Whatever you have seen in the t-cam is an illusion due to poor perspective.

[AR3-GP]

How come in 2023 they always had cold tires that were slow to go to temperature , and in 2024 and 2025 they always have tire overheating? What is the technical change that occurred and why can it not be reverted?

In 2023, each weekend GP would tell Max about the tires being cool and then a few laps into the race tell him when the tires were “ready”. From the very first weekend in 2024 this never happened again. In fact, Max had been reporting that the tires were already too hot often halfway through the outlap! This kind of message was reported in so many free practice sessions.

How is such a change possible? What changed?

[f1isgood]

The car was much better in qualifying in 2024, let's not forget Max got many poles in a row in early 2024.

[AR3-GP]

The car was much better in qualifying in 2024, let's not forget Max got many poles in a row in early 2024.

Yes because last year the tires were always hot immediately to the point that the outlap became about keeping the tire cool instead of warming them.

Now that they have a clear tire overheating issue in the races, why wouldn’t you revert to whatever mechanical items were used in 2023 or some hybrid? I don’t understand how in 1 year the car has no tire degradation and struggles to heat the tires, and the next is the complete opposite behavior. What did you do!

[Sergej]

maybe because in 2023 winter they addressed a bit the problem of quali, which requires to heat the tyres up quickly, but at the cost of risking overheating them

consider also Ferrari, they had the opposite problem: excellent quali pace but horrendus race pace in 2023, then they addressed the problem and in 2024 they ended up with very good race pace but poor quali pace and tyre heating capacity.

[f1isgood]

Yeah it seems like with these regs, there's an inherent compromise with regard to having great wear and quali pace. McL hit the right sweet spot last year. RB were too biased on one side for a part of the season and Ferrari too biased on the other.

[Farnborough]

How come in 2023 they always had cold tires that were slow to go to temperature , and in 2024 and 2025 they always have tire overheating? What is the technical change that occurred and why can it not be reverted?

In 2023, each weekend GP would tell Max about the tires being cool and then a few laps into the race tell him when the tires were “ready”. From the very first weekend in 2024 this never happened again. In fact, Max had been reporting that the tires were already too hot often halfway through the outlap! This kind of message was reported in so many free practice sessions.

How is such a change possible? What changed?

It's interesting because so many things CAN change in affecting this.

Tyre heat structural comes from stress induced movement out of conflict in running the carcass misalignment.

If the tyre all stood up perpendicular, with no toe or any other conflict to produce flex, then they'd likely warm slowly and last a long time IF enough downforce is produced. McL appear closest to this in an ideal world.

Any movement in static alignment starts to stress and heat the tyre. RB in Japan appeared more (not massive) this way, with obviously more rear camber that may be response to lower rear wing load. An opposing strategy in other words.

McL seemed to have advantage through the S1 curves, but couldn't USE that in race. Should have capitalised in Q to get track position. Then came the tradeoff of RB holding sway out onto start finish while keeping out of DRS, then just throwing dice at keeping tyre temps down.

In Car thread RB has notable rear cake tin on car (don't know when) that LOOKS to flow air in greater quantity around inside of rim and outside of brake disc/caliper. It further LOOKS that the air is scourced from brake cooling duct, so "cold" supply then.
There's less heat available from brake at rear because of regeneration, also rears are easy to heat with torque & lateral loading. Plausible that they are chasing cooling here to help manage rim and tyre peak temps, which may or not have come on for this race onwards (wasn't imaged before japan) and so could also have influenced it here, furthermore COULD be a very positive attribute as race ambient temperature climbs.

I don't feel it's the "same " car coming back to Bahrain as was tested, experience added, balance more learnt etc. They seem to have advanced more than immediate competitors RELATIVE to the pace they all experienced during testing.

We'll obviously get a measure of this in a couple of days. I think projection on forum has just been rolling out the status quo of testing earlier. We really can't know though where everyone is and expected SHOULD be some shift in that historic outlook.