2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[deadhead]

I will take the lack of response about Hamilton and instead turning the focus to Charles and 2019/2020 as enough of an answer that my premise of the current cars being identical and Lewis not being able to perform because of rear instability as being entirely correct.

No, the lack of answer is because we literally don't know. It could just be that Charles found a setup he likes while Lewis hasn't yet.

Hamilton's setup is based on a stable rear end, it has been a fundamental basis in setup in all of his successful cars so far.. that is why he hasn't found a setup that works for him yet, it fits very well with your theory also.

I doubt there is a single driver on the grid who wouldn't like a stable rear end so I guess you are saying that HAM can't deal with not having that as well someone like LEC?

Wouldn't both be able to go faster with a strong rear end? Or is this not proportional somehow...

[Emag]

do we have footage of ferrari wing flex? saw some McLaren vs red bull flex McLaren is pretty flexy compared to red bull.. do we have footage of sf25?

A little bit less than McLaren and quite a bit less than Mercedes :

[Luscion]

https://x.com/GiulyDuchessa/status/1910237369141244402

Ferrari's technicians are convinced they can bring performance back to an acceptable level, through appropriate countermeasures. The simulations had Ferrari at 1 tenth from McLaren, if everything had worked

Loic Serra and Diego Tondi seem to be pressuring the staff but meanwhile the next two updates must not fail, starting with those that Leclerc and Hamilton will have available in Bahrain and which they approved on the simulator this week. Available to the Scuderia, in addition to the floor (Hamilton will test it in the first free practice where Beganovic will also drive, with the old specification), there are also new parts for cooling and two rear wings with a newly designed main-plane for different load levels, a different geometry of the diffuser, it's not certain that they will be declared before actual use

[Farnborough]

No, the lack of answer is because we literally don't know. It could just be that Charles found a setup he likes while Lewis hasn't yet.

Hamilton's setup is based on a stable rear end, it has been a fundamental basis in setup in all of his successful cars so far.. that is why he hasn't found a setup that works for him yet, it fits very well with your theory also.

I doubt there is a single driver on the grid who wouldn't like a stable rear end so I guess you are saying that HAM can't deal with not having that as well someone like LEC?

Wouldn't both be able to go faster with a strong rear end? Or is this not proportional somehow...

Simply my own view and nothing more. LH seems to want certainty in rear grip progression, but can leverage the hell out of that to very good effect.
CL SEEMS ambivalent about that feel, chucking it in with apparently not a care in the world. Both of them I've really enjoyed watching.

CL more "gunslinger" with LH more " marksman" if that makes sense.

LH also very rare to see loosing it and taking him off (entire career) with CL more times with big snap loss type events in comparison.
The LH approach of studied application is typical of v-good wet conditions driver too. Notably LH, MS, MV & AS in that lineage. In my view.

I feel that CL & LH are Notably different in this aspect (and all the better for us to observe) with perhaps LH needing to be certain of response when CL finds out when he gets there

I do hope these developments in team aims bring these two into front running pace to make the races more competitive.

[balex]

I can't remember when it was (within the last year or two), but I remember Button saying something quite illuminating about Hamilton's style: Hamilton wants to keep his foot in as much as possible, and will prefer to use steering input than throttle modulation to quell any misbehaviour from the car. Button noticed this because he was very much the opposite.

I don't know where Leclerc stands on that Button-Hamilton spectrum in comparison, but I thought it might be interesting context in how they may react to different characteristics of the car. My gut is that Leclerc and Hamilton are quite similar in this regard, and the similar performance they seem to be able to extract from the car in similar circumstances would align with that.

I assume this would be good for Ferrari because they'll pull development in a more similar direction, vs Sainz who struck me as much more Button-esque.

[bananapeel23]

I can't remember when it was (within the last year or two), but I remember Button saying something quite illuminating about Hamilton's style: Hamilton wants to keep his foot in as much as possible, and will prefer to use steering input than throttle modulation to quell any misbehaviour from the car. Button noticed this because he was very much the opposite.

I don't know where Leclerc stands on that Button-Hamilton spectrum in comparison, but I thought it might be interesting context in how they may react to different characteristics of the car. My gut is that Leclerc and Hamilton are quite similar in this regard, and the similar performance they seem to be able to extract from the car in similar circumstances would align with that.

I assume this would be good for Ferrari because they'll pull development in a more similar direction, vs Sainz who struck me as much more Button-esque.

Leclerc is similar to Hamilton in that he brakes very late, but he's much more aggressive. He is probably most similar to Verstappen in terms of driving style. He seems to like some very extreme setups with a looser rear, probably due to how aggressively he likes to turn the car.

He knows how to pull off some black magic with the rear tyres. At times it seems like he intentionally causes the rears to lose grip mid-corner so that he can straighten out and get out of the corner more quickly. There is one example of this that is really interesting.

His speed trace at the swimming pool chicane in Monaco looks completely wild. I recall that he blips the throttle when the car smashes into the sausage kerb at. I've seen no other driver do this, and my only conclusion is that he does this to induce some kind of rear end instability, which causes the car to oversteer and straighten out more quickly.

[Xyz22]

I can't remember when it was (within the last year or two), but I remember Button saying something quite illuminating about Hamilton's style: Hamilton wants to keep his foot in as much as possible, and will prefer to use steering input than throttle modulation to quell any misbehaviour from the car. Button noticed this because he was very much the opposite.

I don't know where Leclerc stands on that Button-Hamilton spectrum in comparison, but I thought it might be interesting context in how they may react to different characteristics of the car. My gut is that Leclerc and Hamilton are quite similar in this regard, and the similar performance they seem to be able to extract from the car in similar circumstances would align with that.

I assume this would be good for Ferrari because they'll pull development in a more similar direction, vs Sainz who struck me as much more Button-esque.

For now the difference between Leclerc and Hamilton is bigger than the difference between Leclerc and Sainz.
In high speed corners for example, Leclerc has been significantly quicker than Hamilton since the first weekend (Q trim).

[balex]

Leclerc is similar to Hamilton in that he brakes very late, but he's much more aggressive. He is probably most similar to Verstappen in terms of driving style. He seems to like some very extreme setups with a looser rear, probably due to how aggressively he likes to turn the car.

He knows how to pull off some black magic with the rear tyres. At times it seems like he intentionally causes the rears to lose grip mid-corner so that he can straighten out and get out of the corner more quickly. There is one example of this that is really interesting.

His speed trace at the swimming pool chicane in Monaco looks completely wild. I recall that he blips the throttle when the car smashes into the sausage kerb at. I've seen no other driver do this, and my only conclusion is that he does this to induce some kind of rear end instability, which causes the car to oversteer and straighten out more quickly.

That's interesting thank you. To me it says they also both have amazing adaptability in common (along with Verstappen of course), as they've both shown they can drive very aggressively and also pull off ridiculous tyre-saving stints.

For now the difference between Leclerc and Hamilton is bigger than the difference between Leclerc and Sainz.
In high speed corners for example, Leclerc has been significantly quicker than Hamilton since the first weekend (Q trim).

TBH it's not clear to me that you can attribute that to driving style, it could also just be track-specific choice in setup compromise or choice in lines?

[bluechris]

Guys you forget that LH is too little time in Ferrari with only 3 races. No matter his driving style, he is climbing a mountain with all the rest in a new team with a new car. I believe he needs more races for sure to feel comfortable and after that he will optimise his driving style etc.

[Vanja #66]

5 races will be plenty of time for a driver of his position and experience

[ringo]

High speed deficit is pretty much showing it is not driving style. It's unsure feeling in a car you dont know.
I suspect with the correction in the parts he's probably going to podium and steal another unexpeted result.

[f1316]

https://x.com/GiulyDuchessa/status/1910237369141244402

Ferrari's technicians are convinced they can bring performance back to an acceptable level, through appropriate countermeasures. The simulations had Ferrari at 1 tenth from McLaren, if everything had worked

Loic Serra and Diego Tondi seem to be pressuring the staff but meanwhile the next two updates must not fail, starting with those that Leclerc and Hamilton will have available in Bahrain and which they approved on the simulator this week. Available to the Scuderia, in addition to the floor (Hamilton will test it in the first free practice where Beganovic will also drive, with the old specification), there are also new parts for cooling and two rear wings with a newly designed main-plane for different load levels, a different geometry of the diffuser, it's not certain that they will be declared before actual use

Hard to know from this if the “appropriate countermeasures” are things they can do in Bahrain on setup or specific parts that are needed. My inference is the latter but not clear.

We’ve seen that a one tenth gap is surmountable, especially in quali were the McLaren drivers often don’t seem to string together the perfect lap, although staying ahead in a race will be much harder in Bahrain than Japan, unless you’re actually faster.

Let’s hope a setup change (eg to suspension) is sufficient and the updates work and then we might finally have some cause for optimism. The sprint performance in China makes me believe the performance is in there somewhere and not all is lost.

[ScuderiaLeo]

According to Duchessa as well, the drivers tested the new spec in the simulator and the feedback was very positive, but as we know by now the true test is on a track...

[Downforce777]

According to Duchessa as well, the drivers tested the new spec in the simulator and the feedback was very positive, but as we know by now the true test is on a track...

tell me there is no photo of the updated Ferrari yet

[ringo]

Why I think they can find 2 to 3 tenths easily is that the car has an impairment preventing it from performing how it should have been otherwise.
It's not as if it was operating at its maximum without impairment and the team is now trying to upgrade on top of an optimum package.
The impairment probably loses the car a few hundreths per corner and these updates bring it back to where it should have been in the first place. We are not in a classical diminishing returns situation. This is more like debris clogging the pipes and the debris is now being cleared to realize the expected flow.
So in a nut shell I would not be suprised if the car magically ends up 1 tenth off Mclaren after correcrions.