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Yeah 2 sets but they could have differentiated. I suspect they just decided from the start that they will do S-H-H in the race.

Crazy decision, the softs are very bad for the race.

Could be a desperate one.
We've seen in Japan how important is to be at the front in clean air.
Of course overtaking is much easier here so probably wouldn't matter.

The important thing is getting a late SC when overheating the tyres is much harder and everyone is on hards that would be the saving grace for the weekend

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Apparently prior to leaving RBR, Rob Marshal was pushing for water to be used for cooling tyres (not just flexible aero stuff).. guess we know why red bull pushed the FIA about that suddenly last year

[Chuckjr]

Red Bull has consistently shown they find a lot of time FP3 and in quali with Max. He seems really good at finding set ups that work for that track that weekend. Max is career talent peaking and can pull another quali miracle to maybe split the Maccas over one lap. If he can bring home a second that would be a huge win. A lot to ask at the end of the race with RB tire deg, but it is possible with Max at the helm. The man is an absolute beast.

[Paa]

Red Bull has consistently shown they find a lot of time FP3 and in quali with Max. He seems really good at finding set ups that work for that track that weekend. Max is career talent peaking and can pull another quali miracle to maybe split the Maccas over one lap. If he can bring home a second that would be a huge win. A lot to ask at the end of the race with RB tire deg, but it is possible with Max at the helm. The man is an absolute beast.

This is going to be a deg race. Qualy result will have marginal impact.

[ringo]

The car should qualify very well with a good setup for qualy and the Q3 engine settings.
Pole is possible.
The race is a different story because of tyre deg of course. I agree that medium hard hard is the best plan. One stop will not be a good idea.
With poor deg, you might as well go balls to the wall and sprint with short stints.

[ME4ME]

Apparently prior to leaving RBR, Rob Marshal was pushing for water to be used for cooling tyres (not just flexible aero stuff).. guess we know why red bull pushed the FIA about that suddenly last year

The FIA found nothing, so not sure what the remaining accusation is?

[AR3-GP]

According to F1.com data, car is still good in low speed this weekend.

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Apparently prior to leaving RBR, Rob Marshal was pushing for water to be used for cooling tyres (not just flexible aero stuff).. guess we know why red bull pushed the FIA about that suddenly last year

The FIA found nothing, so not sure what the remaining accusation is?

Does that have anything to do with what I said?

[venkyhere]

Out of boredom, decided to actually look at the lap traces from FP2 for Redbull, and see where the deficit to Mclaren is. I have to say, was surprised at what showed up, not what I expected.
TLDR - Redbull isn't as much 'behind' as what Marko/Horner & Max are telling to the media.

Left side is quali sim and right side is long run.



Quali sim on S -
1) Losses to Piastri start from T10 rotation, T11 medium speed corner.
2) Post T11, I am not sure whether it's lower engine mode OR drag losses OR shot soft tyres OR one/more of these until end of lap.
3) Noteworthy is how Max is on a lower gear in the final straight before T14, which could also be intentional 'downplay'.

Race sim on S -
1) the slope of 'deg' is higher for Mclaren than the Redbull
2) comparing lap8 for both guys (Max v Lando), Redbull is on much lower engine mode, easily visible on the straights. Otherwise drag losses have to be tremendous for Redbull, if it isn't engine mode sandbag.
3) contrary to what I expected, the medium/high speed sections (5-6-7 and 11-12-13) are in favour of Redbull

I understand that even Mclaren wouldn't have shown their hand, and could be in lower engine mode, but it doesn't look that they are sandbagging as much as Redbull are. I guess the deficit to McLaren in both Q and R sims is probably half of what shows up on the timing data.

[Sergej]

Out of boredom, decided to actually look at the lap traces from FP2 for Redbull, and see where the deficit to Mclaren is. I have to say, was surprised at what showed up, not what I expected.
TLDR - Redbull isn't as much 'behind' as what Marko/Horner & Max are telling to the media.

Left side is quali sim and right side is long run.

https://i.imgur.com/j4XUax6.png

Quali sim on S -
1) Losses to Piastri start from T10 rotation, T11 medium speed corner.
2) Post T11, I am not sure whether it's lower engine mode OR drag losses OR shot soft tyres OR one/more of these until end of lap.
3) Noteworthy is how Max is on a lower gear in the final straight before T14, which could also be intentional 'downplay'.

Race sim on S -
1) the slope of 'deg' is higher for Mclaren than the Redbull
2) comparing lap8 for both guys (Max v Lando), Redbull is on much lower engine mode, easily visible on the straights. Otherwise drag losses have to be tremendous for Redbull, if it isn't engine mode sandbag.
3) contrary to what I expected, the medium/high speed sections (5-6-7 and 11-12-13) are in favour of Redbull

I understand that even Mclaren wouldn't have shown their hand, and could be in lower engine mode, but it doesn't look that they are sandbagging as much as Redbull are. I guess the deficit to McLaren in both Q and R sims is probably half of what shows up on the timing data.

as for quali run, I understood that also Mercedes and Ferrari can keep up with McLaren up to T10 or something, it's just after that that their tyres are gone, while McLaren's ones are in still in good shape and make the gap

I think that in quali/race the gap will be smaller than what seen yesterday, but still enough to make an easy win for them; I just hope we can fight Merc/Ferrari for the podium.

[f1isgood]

From what I can see, McLaren are able to brake that much later and have great traction and accelerate that much earlier in Turn 11. RUS seems to make a error in the "snake" - his trace is a bit off.

We are losing a lot in corners with speed range 100 to 150 kmph. And this trend is unsurprising. McLaren have had an edge in these corners since Miami 2024. Damn looking at the race trace, McLaren's had around half a second a lap in that last stint in Miami. Insane.

[Cs98]

Max alluded to them running differently this Friday than normal, which I interpreted as they turned up the engine for the quali sim. So the gap was big yesterday. It’s mostly 2 or 3 corners towards the end of the lap, so tyres falling off.

They’ll probably find some time overnight, I’m expecting Max to switch to the low DF wing. But McLaren is likely out of reach. Starting 3rd would be a win.

[Xyz22]

Max alluded to them running differently this Friday than normal, which I interpreted as they turned up the engine for the quali sim. So the gap was big yesterday. It’s mostly 2 or 3 corners towards the end of the lap, so tyres falling off.

They’ll probably find some time overnight, I’m expecting Max to switch to the low DF wing. But McLaren is likely out of reach. Starting 3rd would be a win.

They were still using less power than Ferrari and MB, especially in the second part of the lap.

[f1isgood]

Max alluded to them running differently this Friday than normal, which I interpreted as they turned up the engine for the quali sim. So the gap was big yesterday. It’s mostly 2 or 3 corners towards the end of the lap, so tyres falling off.

They’ll probably find some time overnight, I’m expecting Max to switch to the low DF wing. But McLaren is likely out of reach. Starting 3rd would be a win.

They were still using less power than Ferrari and MB, especially in the second part of the lap.

Could be simply drag. There potentially might be something to it but it's unclear right now that they are actually using less power in the second half of the lap. Drag + No tires leading to poor exits onto straights can explain the delta.

[Xyz22]

Max alluded to them running differently this Friday than normal, which I interpreted as they turned up the engine for the quali sim. So the gap was big yesterday. It’s mostly 2 or 3 corners towards the end of the lap, so tyres falling off.

They’ll probably find some time overnight, I’m expecting Max to switch to the low DF wing. But McLaren is likely out of reach. Starting 3rd would be a win.

They were still using less power than Ferrari and MB, especially in the second part of the lap.

Could be simply drag. There potentially might be something to it but it's unclear right now that they are actually using less power in the second half of the lap. Drag + No tires leading to poor exits onto straights can explain the delta.

Quite clear from telemetry they are using a "weaker" ERS deployment than for example Ferrari in the last part of the lap as there isn't any significant difference in the first straights for example, so not drag related. RB is usually more conservative on Friday, nothing new.