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[Vettel165]

Agree but lets still wait until race 6 or 7. If we get a miracle its still possible. But updates needs to work in Imola and the new TD might slightly slow down Mclaren. But I would say for now 5% of a chance for both, 95% for not having a shot for the title. It is what it is. Without working updates bringing that extra downforce for protecting the tyres we might fight for a podium in some races and in others for lets say P5,P6. But we still need to believe and have some faith.

[Paa]

Feels like the team is disintegrating.
The most worrying part that management doesn't acknowledge and address the issues, but pretend that all is good. Which is the always the worst sign.

[Cs98]

Pit crew is in complete shambles atm, costing them so much time and track position. The car was garbage too but I can't judge if it's representative or just an outlier weekend where they couldn't find a working set-up. We'll find out pretty quickly in Jeddah.

[Sergej]

Quite strange but happy with p6, I thought we would not get even some points. Its like Monza 2024, pit stops were bad, we were on the wrong tyres in the middle stint. We lost just 7 points to Lando. I would say it was a damage limitation done well today. Maybe with the better strategy we would be p5, but not a chance to be higher.

The question is how is Max just 8 points behind Lando with this car? It was a fun race otherwise. But now please Red Bull strike back, find something.

will Lando be the real title contender ? I was quite appalled by his performance today

anyway they NEED the Imola upgrades to work, it will be the last call for this championship (and honestly I don't have many hopes about it)

Even in the optimistic world where the upgrades work, it's not like others are going to stay stationary. McLaren are going to win the driver's or RUS might take it. I dont think there's any point in pretending that Red Bull/Max have a chance.

yeah yeah, I agree, they need their upgrades to deliver more then others', plus Spain clampdown to hinder McLaren....a star alignment ?

[lio007]

Feels like the team is disintegrating.
The most worrying part that management doesn't acknowledge and address the issues, but pretend that all is good. Which is the always the worst sign.

I don't know how you come to this conclusion. The team is well aware they lack pace and need to improve the car.

[DDopey]

Quite strange but happy with p6, I thought we would not get even some points. Its like Monza 2024, pit stops were bad, we were on the wrong tyres in the middle stint. We lost just 7 points to Lando. I would say it was a damage limitation done well today. Maybe with the better strategy we would be p5, but not a chance to be higher.

The question is how is Max just 8 points behind Lando with this car? It was a fun race otherwise. But now please Red Bull strike back, find something.

will Lando be the real title contender ? I was quite appalled by his performance today

anyway they NEED the Imola upgrades to work, it will be the last call for this championship (and honestly I don't have many hopes about it)

Even in the optimistic world where the upgrades work, it's not like others are going to stay stationary. McLaren are going to win the driver's or RUS might take it. I dont think there's any point in pretending that Red Bull/Max have a chance.

It all depends on various factors, but given the current state of affairs, I wouldn’t bet heavily on either outcome. The Red Bull car faces significant challenges, but if they can address these issues through the upgrades and position themselves at the right time, I still believe they have a chance of success. Regarding other teams not making significant progress, it appears that they’re not making substantial gains anymore, so that’s not a cause for immediate concern.

[lio007]

I'm a bit surprised by some reactions, literally everybody expected a result like this and now the expectation became reality, a lot say WDC is already gone. A fair assessment, IMO, is only possible after the upgrade and the flexi wing 'clampdown'.

[Cs98]

I'm a bit surprised by some reactions, literally everybody expected a result like this and now the expectation became reality, a lot say WDC is already gone. A fair assessment, IMO, is only possible after the upgrade and the flexi wing 'clampdown'.

No, not this bad. The car was literally slower than Alpine and Haas, which certainly hasn't been the case in the first 3 rounds.

Leads me to believe they either completely messed up the set-up, or the car just hates this track and these conditions.

[f1isgood]

In my view, the biggest issue is not that we are slow -- it's that we don't understand why we are slow. Every weekend we start somewhere, go somewhere, the car either works or it doesn't. What upgrade will fix that?

I feel like pinning any hopes on Imola upgrades and Flexi wing clampdown is like throwing darts and hoping to hit the center.

The team has bigger issues with new reg changes. Time will tell.

[chrisc90]

Terrible weekend. P6 is a decent result given everything.

Lots to learn and more improvement needed

[Sergej]

wow Marko is catastrophic

- It was worse than expected.
- The car is not balanced and we don't know why.
- Our Fridays are just too bad due to simulations. Normally, we would have found out the hard was bad for us.
- It's a difficult time for the team. The engineers should sit together and speak frankly.
- I'm very worried Verstappen will leave RBR. We have to give him a winning car soon.
- We think we have good people in the team, but they have to look at themselves now and build a competitive car.

[AR3-GP]

I'm a bit surprised by some reactions, literally everybody expected a result like this and now the expectation became reality, a lot say WDC is already gone. A fair assessment, IMO, is only possible after the upgrade and the flexi wing 'clampdown'.

Any comment on the pitstops?

[organic]

wow Marko is catastrophic

- It was worse than expected.
- The car is not balanced and we don't know why.
- Our Fridays are just too bad due to simulations. Normally, we would have found out the hard was bad for us.
- It's a difficult time for the team. The engineers should sit together and speak frankly.
- I'm very worried Verstappen will leave RBR. We have to give him a winning car soon.
- We think we have good people in the team, but they have to look at themselves now and build a competitive car.

Seems accurate to me.

[ispano6]

really shocked by the pit crew, was very amateurish

Are the Caller twins back from family leave or is it still the reserve replacements? Also, the pit lights stayed yellow, never turned green for either Max or Yuki. Equipment issue?

[Paa]

Feels like the team is disintegrating.
The most worrying part that management doesn't acknowledge and address the issues, but pretend that all is good. Which is the always the worst sign.

I don't know how you come to this conclusion. The team is well aware they lack pace and need to improve the car.

Car pace is one thing, but...

Correlation issues are there for years, I hardly see this addressed or acknowledged, but it should be toppest of the top priorities.
Bad pit stops are becoming a trend and there is simply no excuse for them.
Also at least 5+ very key people just left the team during the past 2 years or so. I've seen nothing about the reasons behind nor do I see any meaningful replacement.
2nd driver decision have been a joke, just think about Perez. Extending him last year so early when was no need to. Then trying to get rid of him, paying off at the end, then Lawson-Tsunoda. It is a mess.

Red Bull was a perfectly oiled Swiss clock 3-4 years ago, with no weakness. And within 1-2 years they starting to look like Ferrari and I see no turn in the trend so far.