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- It was worse than expected.
- The car is not balanced and we don't know why.
- Our Fridays are just too bad due to simulations. Normally, we would have found out the hard was bad for us.
- It's a difficult time for the team. The engineers should sit together and speak frankly.
- I'm very worried Verstappen will leave RBR. We have to give him a winning car soon.
- We think we have good people in the team, but they have to look at themselves now and build a competitive car.
I mean beefing with Haas and Alpines is indeed worse than expected
Marko for the first time is being honest. I completely agree with all points.
- It was worse than expected.
- The car is not balanced and we don't know why.
- Our Fridays are just too bad due to simulations. Normally, we would have found out the hard was bad for us.
- It's a difficult time for the team. The engineers should sit together and speak frankly.
- I'm very worried Verstappen will leave RBR. We have to give him a winning car soon.
- We think we have good people in the team, but they have to look at themselves now and build a competitive car.
It's somewhat concerning to see this reaction despite his knowledge of the Imola update...If they were seeing good things, Marko wouldn't be worried
- It was worse than expected.
- The car is not balanced and we don't know why.
- Our Fridays are just too bad due to simulations. Normally, we would have found out the hard was bad for us.
- It's a difficult time for the team. The engineers should sit together and speak frankly.
- I'm very worried Verstappen will leave RBR. We have to give him a winning car soon.
- We think we have good people in the team, but they have to look at themselves now and build a competitive car.
It's somewhat concerning to see this reaction despite his knowledge of the Imola update...If they were seeing good things, Marko wouldn't be worried
Verstappen is probably very close to decide to jump ship. It's not just the car is slow, the simulation side/tools is absolutely horrible, and now even pit stops are a clown show.
I would NOT trust any upgrade by this team at this point, every weekend they are completely lost at sea with everything , how can they make proper upgrades?
Verstappen is probably very close to decide to jump ship. It's not just the car is slow, the simulation side/tools is absolutely horrible, and now even pit stops are a clown show.
- It was worse than expected.
- The car is not balanced and we don't know why.
- Our Fridays are just too bad due to simulations. Normally, we would have found out the hard was bad for us.
- It's a difficult time for the team. The engineers should sit together and speak frankly.
- I'm very worried Verstappen will leave RBR. We have to give him a winning car soon.
- We think we have good people in the team, but they have to look at themselves now and build a competitive car.
It's somewhat concerning to see this reaction despite his knowledge of the Imola update...If they were seeing good things, Marko wouldn't be worried
We have no correlation. Imola upgrade is pure hopium I am afraid.
- It was worse than expected.
- The car is not balanced and we don't know why.
- Our Fridays are just too bad due to simulations. Normally, we would have found out the hard was bad for us.
- It's a difficult time for the team. The engineers should sit together and speak frankly.
- I'm very worried Verstappen will leave RBR. We have to give him a winning car soon.
- We think we have good people in the team, but they have to look at themselves now and build a competitive car.
It's somewhat concerning to see this reaction despite his knowledge of the Imola update...If they were seeing good things, Marko wouldn't be worried
We have no correlation. Imola upgrade is pure hopium I am afraid.
I think the problem is that something about this aero philosophy is difficult for the windtunnel and CFD to reproduce. If the Imola car were a sufficient divergence from this car, they could happenstance there way into good correlation again. The same windtunnel and CFD produced the RB18 and RB19. So for me it's not the tools, it's the aero philisophy of the current floor which lends itself to bad correlation. They have to make a clean break from this design.
I'm a bit surprised by some reactions, literally everybody expected a result like this and now the expectation became reality, a lot say WDC is already gone. A fair assessment, IMO, is only possible after the upgrade and the flexi wing 'clampdown'.
Any comment on the pitstops?
The pit light didn't turn green, stayed flashing yellow for both Yuki and Max, it cost them at least a second while they waited for it but never turned green.
It's somewhat concerning to see this reaction despite his knowledge of the Imola update...If they were seeing good things, Marko wouldn't be worried
We have no correlation. Imola upgrade is pure hopium I am afraid.
I think the problem is that something about this aero philosophy is difficult for the windtunnel and CFD to reproduce. If the Imola car were a sufficient divergence from this car, they could happenstance there way into good correlation again. The same windtunnel and CFD produced the RB18 and RB19. So for me it's not the tools, it's the aero philisophy of the current floor which lends itself to bad correlation. They have to make a clean break from this design.
if that's the case, the solution would be a B-car being studied for months since last year....seems unlikely and unfeasible.
Everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong :
1. Decent (slow but balanced) car at the end of Friday , went to BS car (slow with no balance and no brakes) for Saturday & Sunday
2. Blundered with tyre decisions made (preserving two H instead of two M like other teams) for FP sessions
3. Total meltdown with pitstops, if the electronic green light didn't work the first time on two cars, why not bring back the lollipop for the next round of stops. What do they expect the driver to do ?
4. Race pace is pure midfielder, playing in the midst of Haass' and Alpines.
despite all this, the only cars who finished ahead were two Mclarens, two Ferraris and a Mercedes. I would say that is mega damage limitation, especially after the pitstop clown show.
Why is Redbull in this mess ? because turning up with 'something' from a totally disconnected-from-reality simulator for Friday's base setup, and then going full Thomas-Alva-Edison trial and error through the FPs, can pull a rabbit out of the hat a few times, but more often than not, the law of averages will catch up and the car won't be right.
What's even more dreadful about this, is that the team's leadership (Marko, Horner) are talking as if the Imola upgrade is a silver bullet that will solve everything.
It won't.
Without addressing the elephant in the room (correlation from modelling in the simulator) , all 'upgrades' are simply random throw of the dice. The way Redbull are preparing their car for a weekend is like going to a Casino half-drunk. To be very honest, the team is disintegrating - mass exodus of key people, Horner-gate, comedy show with 2nd seat, etc. Max pulling out a magic performance after a 'Edison experiment' with the car 'randomly going right' is something rare - it seems the team is banking on it. That can't be sustainable. Team is showing typical signs of a lower midfielder team like Kick Sauber / Aston Martin etc (Williams and Haas are better disciplined) in terms of operational efficiency.
What surprises me more, is the reaction in this thread - who can honestly say, that they didn't expect a day like this ? it was only a matter of time. That both cars still finished in points is a minor miracle, given how close all the teams are this season.
Guesswork cannot setup a car. Some bright engineers have the cleverness and experience to 'overcome' the correlation disconnect from the simulator. But they can't do it all the time. It's not a sustainable working model.
Last edited by venkyhere on 13 Apr 2025, 20:05, edited 2 times in total.
I think today was really bad for RedBull to be honest, I am not surprised. Stint 1 in China was an early indication. They were flattered at Japan because Max pulled a masterclass in qualifying. Add to that the cold temps on the race + McLaren trying nothing strategy-wise, Max had enough pace to keep them behind and take the W.
Now we were back into a more normal setting, with temps similar to what we will see for the majority of the season (if not perhaps a bit cooler due to this being a night race), the pace was worryingly weak. Distant 4th with an Alpine breathing down their neck. That's considering Max driving the wheels off that car and a safety car helping them on closing the gaps after a horrible hard stint.
