2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[venkyhere]

So round 4. A horrible start of the season and a "horror" weekend in Bahrein.

Yet only 1 pt deficit after rond 3 and now 8 pt. 1/3 of a DNF. Less than the point difference between 1st and 3rd in one race. If Norris and Piastri take eachother out in T1 this weekend, Max can keep this pace for another 8 races.

We can discuss omens all we want, but factually, there is no real problemen yet.

Statistics are like mini-skirts, they tease to reveal it all, but still keep the important bits hidden.

The 'correlation' issue that has hit Redbull is so severe that they are relying every race weekend on 'FP session collected track data' to arrive at a base-setup for the car. The task which other teams have already under their belt even before the weekend commences.

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[pantherxxx]

According to Autoracer we will bring McLaren-inspired cake tin/brake duct to help manage tyre temperatures.

The cake tin area itself will be affected by future updates (the first important package will arrive in Imola) to replicate the solution studied by McLaren and useful for cooling its tyres, especially the rear ones

https://autoracer.it/it/red-bull-imola- ... ne-mclaren

That could be really helpful. When you can cool the rear tyres better, it will give more freedom in the car’s overall setup because you’re less constrained by tyre management concerns for the race.

[AR3-GP]

According to Autoracer we will bring McLaren-inspired cake tin/brake duct to help manage tyre temperatures.

The cake tin area itself will be affected by future updates (the first important package will arrive in Imola) to replicate the solution studied by McLaren and useful for cooling its tyres, especially the rear ones

https://autoracer.it/it/red-bull-imola- ... ne-mclaren

Brake duct windtunnel testing is unlimited according to the regulations (like the cooling systems…)

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According to Autoracer we will bring McLaren-inspired cake tin/brake duct to help manage tyre temperatures.

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One of the Autoracer journalists wrote on Twitter that the "imola package" may appear in Miami if it's ready:

Red Bull has two deadlines in a few weeks: Imola (possibly Miami), where it will debut the first update package, and then Spain, with TD on the front wings. Super work at factory to replicate McLaren cake tin function

[Paa]

First I thought Miami was a bad idea, because it's a sprint weekend.

Then I realized that it's not like they have a good base setup for the current spec, so actually it doesn't matter. They'll have to find the balance on track either way.

[AR3-GP]

According to Autoracer we will bring McLaren-inspired cake tin/brake duct to help manage tyre temperatures.

[...]

One of the Autoracer journalists wrote on Twitter that the "imola package" may appear in Miami if it's ready:

Red Bull has two deadlines in a few weeks: Imola (possibly Miami), where it will debut the first update package, and then Spain, with TD on the front wings. Super work at factory to replicate McLaren cake tin function

Miami? Now that's some irony...

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According to Autoracer we will bring McLaren-inspired cake tin/brake duct to help manage tyre temperatures.

[...]

One of the Autoracer journalists wrote on Twitter that the "imola package" may appear in Miami if it's ready:

Red Bull has two deadlines in a few weeks: Imola (possibly Miami), where it will debut the first update package, and then Spain, with TD on the front wings. Super work at factory to replicate McLaren cake tin function

Miami? Now that's some irony...

Honestly if they can sort out the tyre overheating with this McLaren brake heat management solution then we can rely on the Max factor again. This Autoracer story makes me cautiously optimistic - an aerodynamic fix to the tyre issue is extremely welcome. I was thinking it would be a mechanical problem.

Delusion, yes

[Paa]

In the light of correlation issues, I'm half hopeful and half afraid of the upgrades.

[Cassius]

According to Autoracer we will bring McLaren-inspired cake tin/brake duct to help manage tyre temperatures.

The cake tin area itself will be affected by future updates (the first important package will arrive in Imola) to replicate the solution studied by McLaren and useful for cooling its tyres, especially the rear ones

https://autoracer.it/it/red-bull-imola- ... ne-mclaren

If this can be solved by a new cake tin and brake duct improvements, then why did we not see any radical developments in this area for the past years? Teams have always optimized this area to maintain correct temps, so why would McLaren have found such a solution without any reg change?

Sounds like there is more to why McLaren has good tyre deg and more needed for RB to improve this. In 2023 Ferrari had tyre deg issues all year long and could only solve it in a mechanical way in 2024.

[AR3-GP]

According to Autoracer we will bring McLaren-inspired cake tin/brake duct to help manage tyre temperatures.

The cake tin area itself will be affected by future updates (the first important package will arrive in Imola) to replicate the solution studied by McLaren and useful for cooling its tyres, especially the rear ones

https://autoracer.it/it/red-bull-imola- ... ne-mclaren

If this can be solved by a new cake tin and brake duct improvements, then why did we not see any radical developments in this area for the past years? Teams have always optimized this area to maintain correct temps, so why would McLaren have found such a solution without any reg change?

Sounds like there is more to why McLaren has good tyre deg and more needed for RB to improve this. In 2023 Ferrari had tyre deg issues all year long and could only solve it in a mechanical way in 2024.

Dr obbs said a rear suspension upgrade is coming, so there are mechanical changes. However, there is more. Mclaren has more overall downforce and a more stable aero balance. So even if Red Bull could increase the cooling of the tires with the brake ducts (or water...), they still have to eliminate the aerodynamic balance shifting and increase the overall downforce level as these make the car faster and more consistent through the corners. "Driving around the issues" comes at a cost. It's slower than not having them at all.

[Vettel165]

I am sometimes wrong of course, like we all are. But will just speculate now and make a bold prediction, after Barcelona updates will work and Mclaren will be slower. Max will take the iniciative and dominate the rest of the season. The rest is history.

[ispano6]

We can discuss omens all we want, but factually, there is no real problemen yet.

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??? "No real problem."

Brakes are definitely one issue, They supposedly will bring discs with upgraded thermal resistance to Jeddah. Also some suspension adjustments.

[Sergej]

I am sometimes wrong of course, like we all are. But will just speculate now and make a bold prediction, after Barcelona updates will work and Mclaren will be slower. Max will take the iniciative and dominate the rest of the season. The rest is history.

don't fly too high

[Paa]

I am sometimes wrong of course, like we all are. But will just speculate now and make a bold prediction, after Barcelona updates will work and Mclaren will be slower. Max will take the iniciative and dominate the rest of the season. The rest is history.

Why don't you make a small fortune out of it? I think you would get nice odds on the betting sites.