Very true.
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I think it looks better because they are running the RB21 with very less wing, prioritizing top speed. Combined with 'softer by 1 step than 2024' tyres, I think this setup will be a disaster in race conditions. It's better that Redbull add some wing and sacrifice Q and even if they start from 3rd or 4th row on Sunday, they have a good chance of finishing in top5 or top6. Going for Q pace by prioritizing top speed will help them start the race in 2nd or 3rd row, but that will carry a severe price with tyre deg. Of the top four teams, Redbull have the worst tyre life, so they need both H (C3, which is not really a 'hard' tyre) for the race, irrespective of what setup they eventually arrive at.
This isn’t factually correct.AR3-GP wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025, 06:51Can't ride curbs and also slower in the high speed corners. How is Mclaren able to be the fastest in the high speed, and have no bump or curb weakness? The Mclaren will even dominate in Monaco and Singapore. Not even Mercedes and Red Bull in their strongest seasons could achieve something like this. They were always poor on street circuits.
Problem of getting both normal and street circuits perfect hasn't anything to do with layout and curbs. Plenty of slow speed on normal tracks with plenty of curbs as well. It is all in the combination between track surface and tyre behaviour/tyre operating windows. It is the tarmac that is the outlier on street circuits, not the layout or the curbs.Emag wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025, 09:07This isn’t factually correct.AR3-GP wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025, 06:51Can't ride curbs and also slower in the high speed corners. How is Mclaren able to be the fastest in the high speed, and have no bump or curb weakness? The Mclaren will even dominate in Monaco and Singapore. Not even Mercedes and Red Bull in their strongest seasons could achieve something like this. They were always poor on street circuits.
Mercedes did just fine dominating in every type of track in 2016 for example, and RedBull was also an all-rounder during their v8 domination era.
You could say nobody has done it the ground effect era, but you would be wrong even then, because RedBull won both Monaco and Singapore in 2022 while being really fast in high-speed tracks as well.
Interesting, he mentioned that RB ran the engine in high modes to get exact data of the performance instead of having to rely on guessing all the time and the data showed that too RB21 was running like 300rpm higher in the final 2 straights, so the MCL still has some more pace in hand through pure engine performance, of course fuel levels could still vary. Looking at the data I think RB ran slightly heavier from the performance in the slow corners which they've been the best at so far this season if we're to trust F1's analysis.AR3-GP wrote: ↑18 Apr 2025, 22:52It’s Marko, but he’s positive. He says they developed a setup without relying too much on simulator. Small parts here which are a step, there will be another small step for Miami, and then a larger one for Imola.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/red-bull- ... grand-prix
loyalty and fine words and expectations also have an expiration date at some point. Ultimately, Formula 1 is all about the stopwatch. It is obvious that Red Bull must show improvement in the short term. Not least to convince Verstappen that Red Bull must remain his 'home' and not to make him doubt after all.
That said, Marko makes it clear that things are also helped by a few updates this week. Some of these are circuit-specific and have to do with cooling in the enormous heat of Jeddah, but some are structural in nature
"They said the impact was big," Marko says in the paddock about the first feedback from the drivers. "We have a new approach, which works in a certain direction. In terms of details, I have to say that I am not an engineer, but they are quite significant changes." According to Marko, the effect was not yet fully visible in the first free practice session as desired, although he is more satisfied with the picture of the second practice session on the fast street circuit. "We did not change a lot between the sessions, but we did adjust some things. And the result of that is positive."
The first step in Jeddah is part of a larger upgrade plan, Marko explains when asked by Motorsport.com . "We've made small improvements here and we hope to do the same in Miami. And then there will be something else in Imola. So it's not one big upgrade, but step by step." According to the 81-year-old top advisor, it partly has to do with the discussions that took place during and after the race weekend in Bahrain, although of course updates have always been in the pipeline for much longer. "Everyone has been very open during those discussions, people from all departments. They have used all their experience, also for the set-up that we have now. We have not relied so much on numbers from the simulations anymore."
Very interesting interviewMarko concludes by making it clear that Red Bull wants to turn the tide primarily on its own. Asked whether the intervention against flexi-wings in Barcelona could be a second tipping point and whether that could change the rankings, he answers: "That could change the rankings a bit in theory, but nobody knows until we experience it. In any case, we will not simply rely on those new rules from Barcelona onwards."
This was also the first run with a new setup to test a much pointier approach in a corner."Writing on X, Kirkwood posted: “Would like to point out, If you look closely, you can tell the corner is made up of
10ft(ish) flat walls that have many sharp joints where they connect.
“He [Tsunoda] happened to hit one of the joints perfectly.
“If this was a smooth wall or hits in a flat portion, this likely isn’t a crash.”"
At one point, Max was pointing to a right rear limitation where normally they set the car up in order to end up with a front limitation. For a long time it has seemed like Red Bull's setup playbook is inverse of the other top teams in balance and wing settings. Maybe they have taken the simple way out. Start working like the other teams...The development of the car could even change as a result of anticipating new setup approaches.organic wrote: ↑19 Apr 2025, 13:11Talking about Jeddah upgrades with Dutch motorsport
https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/helmu ... /10714765/
That said, Marko makes it clear that things are also helped by a few updates this week. Some of these are circuit-specific and have to do with cooling in the enormous heat of Jeddah, but some are structural in nature"They said the impact was big," Marko says in the paddock about the first feedback from the drivers. "We have a new approach, which works in a certain direction. In terms of details, I have to say that I am not an engineer, but they are quite significant changes." According to Marko, the effect was not yet fully visible in the first free practice session as desired, although he is more satisfied with the picture of the second practice session on the fast street circuit. "We did not change a lot between the sessions, but we did adjust some things. And the result of that is positive."The first step in Jeddah is part of a larger upgrade plan, Marko explains when asked by Motorsport.com . "We've made small improvements here and we hope to do the same in Miami. And then there will be something else in Imola. So it's not one big upgrade, but step by step." According to the 81-year-old top advisor, it partly has to do with the discussions that took place during and after the race weekend in Bahrain, although of course updates have always been in the pipeline for much longer. "Everyone has been very open during those discussions, people from all departments. They have used all their experience, also for the set-up that we have now. We have not relied so much on numbers from the simulations anymore."Very interesting interviewMarko concludes by making it clear that Red Bull wants to turn the tide primarily on its own. Asked whether the intervention against flexi-wings in Barcelona could be a second tipping point and whether that could change the rankings, he answers: "That could change the rankings a bit in theory, but nobody knows until we experience it. In any case, we will not simply rely on those new rules from Barcelona onwards."
