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[Tvetovnato]

We just need gravel traps. Piastri knew Max would yield, and drove in very hot himself. With a gravel trap there and no place to go for Max that corner would have been totally different.

No, we just need drivers accepting when they are beaten and play by the rules. It works just fine for other drivers. It was the most straight forward racing scenario ever, and yet Max manages to create a controversy from it and get penalized once again.

[euv2]

[Emag]

You can check from here at 0:15

Max was full-lock and no-where near making that corner so he just gave up and opened the steering. If there was gravel there, would Max have let go of the brakes to try and put his car to a closing space on the outside?

[Rikhart]

You can check from here at 0:15

Max was full-lock and no-where near making that corner so he just gave up and opened the steering. If there was gravel there, would Max have let go of the brakes to try and put his car to a closing space on the outside?

He went wide so as not to crash into piastri, who just bullied him off-track, pretty much.

[Dee]

You can check from here at 0:15

Max was full-lock and no-where near making that corner so he just gave up and opened the steering. If there was gravel there, would Max have let go of the brakes to try and put his car to a closing space on the outside?

Max was always ahead of Piastri here, he couldn't turn left because Piastri was closing out the space and pushing him wide.

[Dee]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GpAUHIYXsAA ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GpAW_Z9XcAA ... name=small

4th slide, Max would have made the corner, 5th slide shows how much Piastri failed to turn and give Max space.

[Emag]

Apparently, for the inside car, having the front axel at least alongside the wing mirror is enough.

You know, Max pulled exactly what Oscar pulled here to Lando last year in Texas right? And Max did exactly what Lando did, he overtook off the track.

Lando got a penalty last year, that was fair.

But now because Max is on the receiving end, it’s unfair?

[AR3-GP]

Have Red Bull (Marko, Horner) commented on where the performance today came from?

[Emag]

Have Red Bull (Marko, Horner) commented on where the performance today came from?

Max only said he was surprised to have made such a step after Friday, but he was really tight-lipped in general after the race today, so no details from neither.

[Dee]

Have Red Bull (Marko, Horner) commented on where the performance today came from?

I think it might just be the circuit or a weakness in Mclaren at this circuit?, Ferrari and Charles also had great pace and degradation and they never had that before..

[Dee]

https://i.imgur.com/cuSiyvP.jpeg

Apparently, for the inside car, having the front axel at least alongside the wing mirror is enough.

You know, Max pulled exactly what Oscar pulled here to Lando last year in Texas right? And Max did exactly what Lando did, he overtook off the track.

Lando got a penalty last year, that was fair.

But now because Max is on the receiving end, it’s unfair?

Well that's what I want to know..

[venkyhere]

WInnable. Lost to bad start.

They will have to understand why the car isn't fast at the start anymore. They were particulary strong last year for that point.

Well McLaren said they worked hard on that in the winter. could just be a relative thing where red bull didnt get weaker but macca stronger

What if it was a bad start by Max ? It can happen, can't it ?
Once he lost the start, irrespective of whether he gave back the position or whether he took a +5s , he was destined for P2. Race pace matches Mclaren for the 2nd time this year - Suzuka and Jeddah.

The Mclaren team thread is full of Max fans v/s Piastri/Norris fans slugging it out about whether Max is cheat, whether his wheel to wheel skills are poorer than Russel, whether Piastri is the true 'goat' that Max fans claim to belong to their driver, etc etc etc. Hope this thread doesn't get polluted similarly.

My honest opinion : Max screwed up the pole start, after a gap of a few years, probably. Statistical average has to catch up someday. As for the T1 incident, Piastri only did what Max usually does - grabbing the inside of the corner and understeering to the outside, forcing off the guy on the outer line. Max got a taste of his own medicine this time. And he has to take it. He shouldn't sulk like a petulant child. I didn't like his behavior in the cool down room or on the podium during champagne spray. He finished less than 3s behind the McLaren, despite a 5s penalty, and had matching race pace to the McLarens, ending up with 12 point WDC gap behind the McLarens after five rounds of races. That is a silver lining by itself, considering the 'issues' the car has, and how much 'car development' is lagging behind McLaren.

[f1isgood]

The start cost the win. It's clear Red Bull/Max has a starts problem this year seeing last race and this one and even the previous one at China.

It was like watching Jeddah 2023 all over again. Hopefully we get Miami 2023 next.

The car was great, very very surprising but great.

Re Penalty: Fair but I would 100 percent do what Max did by taking an advantage for a penalty. Red Bull couldn't have known the car would actually be good.

[f1isgood]

They will have to understand why the car isn't fast at the start anymore. They were particulary strong last year for that point.

Well McLaren said they worked hard on that in the winter. could just be a relative thing where red bull didnt get weaker but macca stronger

What if it was a bad start by Max ? It can happen, can't it ?
Once he lost the start, irrespective of whether he gave back the position or whether he took a +5s , he was destined for P2. Race pace matches Mclaren for the 2nd time this year - Suzuka and Jeddah.

The Mclaren team thread is full of Max fans v/s Piastri/Norris fans slugging it out about whether Max is cheat, whether his wheel to wheel skills are poorer than Russel, whether Piastri is the true 'goat' that Max fans claim to belong to their driver, etc etc etc. Hope this thread doesn't get polluted similarly.

My honest opinion : Max screwed up the pole start, after a gap of a few years, probably. Statistical average has to catch up someday. As for the T1 incident, Piastri only did what Max usually does - grabbing the inside of the corner and understeering to the outside, forcing off the guy on the outer line. Max got a taste of his own medicine this time. And he has to take it. He shouldn't sulk like a petulant child. I didn't like his behavior in the cool down room or on the podium during champagne spray. He finished less than 3s behind the McLaren, despite a 5s penalty, and had matching race pace to the McLarens, ending up with 12 point WDC gap behind the McLarens after five rounds of races. That is a silver lining by itself, considering the 'issues' the car has, and how much 'car development' is lagging behind McLaren.

As far as Max goes, he has left 7 points on the table. He is probably more disappointed by that than anything else. There's a reason why he's the WDC he is. We can all talk about drivers and their behaviors but there's a reason he's the class of the field, and things like this all play into his performance whether people like it or not.

His fault, we move and that's the end of story. Unlike people's opinions, his on-track performances are what count.

[euv2]

https://i.imgur.com/cuSiyvP.jpeg

Apparently, for the inside car, having the front axel at least alongside the wing mirror is enough.

You know, Max pulled exactly what Oscar pulled here to Lando last year in Texas right? And Max did exactly what Lando did, he overtook off the track.

Lando got a penalty last year, that was fair.

But now because Max is on the receiving end, it’s unfair?

Ok, explain MEX turn 4 then, Max front axle is alongside NOR wing mirror, MAX keeps his car fully inside the white line, 10 sec penalty.