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[AR3-GP]

There's a trend with Piastri's 1st stint in Japan, Bahrain and Jeddah. Losing pace towards the end, more than others.

[Darth-Piekus]

Yeah, a bit off topic since it's Mclaren topic, but I found it surprising and disappointing to see falsehoods being written about the fourth time world champion and current best driver on the grid rather than seing people celebrating their own victory. Good night.

Anyway. Some words of advice. In Greece we have an idiom that says that the Value of the one that lost gives glory to the winner. Just accept that Max lost fair and square and move on. It's not gonna change your life or my life and it's not gonna be the first or the last battle they will have. There's no shame in that.

[bauc]

Another superb race by PIA, he had a perfect start, and the rest is now history. Great recovery by NOR, I think those 3 laps behind HAM cost him a podium finish today, but he must learn and improve from this.

[Macklaren]

There's a trend with Piastri's 1st stint in Japan, Bahrain and Jeddah. Losing pace towards the end, more than others.

I think he needs to get better at the art of dropping back and saving his tires for much of the first stint. He seems to need to want to close up

[AR3-GP]

There's a trend with Piastri's 1st stint in Japan, Bahrain and Jeddah. Losing pace towards the end, more than others.

I think he needs to get better at the art of dropping back and saving his tires for much of the first stint. He seems to need to want to close up

Norris never starts to struggle like this in dirty air. Norris manages to drive forever in dirty air. In Bahrain, Piastri was in clean air, but then I remember that he radioed to the team that he was struggling at the end of the first stint.

I'm wondering if Piastri's tire management had also been masked by the cooler circumstances of the first races. If that's true, then it will swing back to Norris in the summer months. I guess if you look really hard, you can see it in the first stint in Australia too. I think Norris still manages the tires better, but Norris makes things too complicated with qualifying and the racecraft to really punish Piastri.

[ringo]

There's a trend with Piastri's 1st stint in Japan, Bahrain and Jeddah. Losing pace towards the end, more than others.

It could be physical fitness. It's only just his third season, so maybe he hasnt fully developed the endurance. Same was said of Tsunoda by Marko. Yuki is physically stronger now and that was 4 years of driving and training.
Piastri even asked for a couch at the end if the race. So it could be fatigue affecting his focus near the end of stints.

[Slahinki]

Great drives by both our drivers. Would have been a bit easier without the T1 shenanigans and Lando binning it in qualy, but still good points for the team. I feel they should really return to the "give the position back within 3 laps or get a drive through" of the olden days.

[BMMR61]

Great drive Oscar, demon start and kept calm as always. Good recovery Lando, his natural speed and the ideal strategy worked for him even if he looked a bit rookie with a bad approach to Hamilton, who incidentally wrecked both their races like the sour old guy he looks like he is becoming.

As always the forum is at it's worst on great days with unknown scribblers and the usual suspects coming to P on our parade. Frankly the Netflix generation are a bit tiresome with their one-dimensional review of the state of F1 2015. Great thing is McLaren are overall the best team when considering all attributes without true "dominance". Two cars, across 29 races, plus sprints, since 2023, and no technical retirements, it's off the charts. I hope I don't jinx them with this.

Ferrari in the hands of Charles looked really decent and leapfrogged Mercedes in the performance order, he's a class act isn't he? Lewis ruing the day he signed up as his teammate? George anonymous today - WCC extends. Good to see our old friend Carlos have a good one.

Ignore the flaming, stay strong!

[BMMR61]

Great drives by both our drivers. Would have been a bit easier without the T1 shenanigans and Lando binning it in qualy, but still good points for the team. I feel they should really return to the "give the position back within 3 laps or get a drive through" of the olden days.

Yeah agreed but I suspect it was to do with the closing of the field behind the SC. I'm glad OP81 chose to push up behind Max to within DRS even if it would have hurt his tyres.

Horner's and Max's attitudes after the race were laughable - aren't they always "right" and "the victim"? Oscar just kept his car inside the track limits in the first esses and Max easing out of the brakes to come back alongside carrying more speed meant he had NO CHANCE to make the corner within limits. Simple message to the driver to give it back? No, let's A use the clean air to compromise Oscar and B have a pity parade afterwards. No wonder RedBull are one of the least popular teams on the grid.

[AR3-GP]

"One of the most exhausting races of my career"
Afterwards, he was able to "control the race better": "Nevertheless, I couldn't take a break - Max was very fast, and I had to push constantly," the McLaren star can't really shake off his pursuer in the Red Bull, which is why he admits after crossing the finish line: "It was closer than I would have liked."

That is the only drop of bitterness on an almost perfect Sunday for the Australian: "Maybe something is still missing, because Max was a little too close to us. But otherwise a great race and a fantastic weekend,"

https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel ... t-25042104

[BMMR61]

McLaren are hitting back at all the comments that their car is dominant. Obviously they are doing a good job in all environments - hot, cold, dry, wet, fast corners, slow corners, kerbs etc - but that RedBull on faster circuits is very competitive when they can coax it into the window of performance. Like a few years ago when Red Bull had a fast car everywhere, when the competing other 3 teams are taking points out of each other, it makes it look more dominant than reality. I wouldn't be discounting Red Bull with Max mounting a serious challenge for the WDC. They already are.

The other "misinformation" spread is that round 9 in Spain will be a turning point with the implied thing being the so-called "flex-wing" rule change. This is purely speculative and designed to unsettle and create tensions. I may be wrong but I think the quick everywhere MCL39 will continue it's trajectory with some other team(s) being the victim of this change.

[Sergej]

Perfect race for Oscar, nailed the start and controlled Max without any mistakes, 3 wins out of 5 races, very good.

Lando good recovery but, crucially, his clumsiness with Hamilton cost him a podium, something to think about.

Everyone said they would have struggled more in Jeddah, which turned out to be quite true, still they leave with a win + a fourth place (which could have been much more without the quali crash), so not bad. Very curious to see how the car will perform in the hot Miami.

[mwillems]

Oscar totally owned the line at the first corner and showed no fear of Max in the line to turn 2, with Max being the dtiver who had to bail.

That was a strong ballsy move.

[FittingMechanics]

Oscar totally owned the line at the first corner and showed no fear of Max in the line to turn 2, with Max being the dtiver who had to bail.

That was a strong ballsy move.

It's exactly the type of move to take away that "let me go or we crash". Max knows both Norris and Piastri can be WDC this year. Crashing with either one would increase the gap to the other one.

To be fair, if we look at it in isolation, if Max held it on the track on outside and they had a crash, Piastri would be at fault as he was the car overtaking. But Max can't do that because he will lose points to Lando. So he abuses the penalty system and clear air to get the best for him. So let's use that against Max, fight him hard willing to crash so he can't abuse the system as he usually tries.

What annoys me is that both Max and Horner know they did it on purpose. They know that by keeping the clear air they gained more than they lost with the penalty but they are faking outrage.

[mwillems]

There's a trend with Piastri's 1st stint in Japan, Bahrain and Jeddah. Losing pace towards the end, more than others.

I think he needs to get better at the art of dropping back and saving his tires for much of the first stint. He seems to need to want to close up

Norris never starts to struggle like this in dirty air. Norris manages to drive forever in dirty air. In Bahrain, Piastri was in clean air, but then I remember that he radioed to the team that he was struggling at the end of the first stint.

I'm wondering if Piastri's tire management had also been masked by the cooler circumstances of the first races. If that's true, then it will swing back to Norris in the summer months. I guess if you look really hard, you can see it in the first stint in Australia too. I think Norris still manages the tires better, but Norris makes things too complicated with qualifying and the racecraft to really punish Piastri.

I think his driving style does energise the tyres a little more. And there is probably a tenth more in the car than he can extract. But it's worth noting that following cars is harder this year than last, there is more dirty air. Being 30 plus laps around 1.2s from Max will have hurt the tyres.


At the end of the race, if you get a chance to watch again, you'll see Oscar was impeded by some traffic and opened his gap again once through it.