2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[RonMexico]

It's early days. The real objective is 2026.

I don't agree with this. The point of revamping the SF-24 and bringing on Hamilton was to target the WCC(and possibly WDC) this year, especially after being so close in 2024.

Hamilton was brought in as a marketing exercise, which is fine, but the problem is the length of his contract.

[JPower]

For one year. Hamilton has been beaten by 3 F1 teammates and likely 4 after this season. Alonso is one of the greatest talents to ever grace F1. Hamilton has enjoyed the best machinery of any F1 driver ever.

Alonso hasn't had the quality of teammates Hamilton has. Using that as a metric is crazy.

Alonso
Marques
Trulli
Fisichella
Hamilton
Piquet Jr
Grosjean
Massa
Button
Vandoorne
Ocon
Stroll

Hamilton
Alonso
Kovalainen
Button
Rosberg
Bottas
Russell
Leclerc

I don't think its very close either.

[RonMexico]

For one year. Hamilton has been beaten by 3 F1 teammates and likely 4 after this season. Alonso is one of the greatest talents to ever grace F1. Hamilton has enjoyed the best machinery of any F1 driver ever.

Alonso hasn't had the quality of teammates Hamilton has. Using that as a metric is crazy.

Alonso
Marques
Trulli
Fisichella
Hamilton
Piquet Jr
Grosjean
Massa
Button
Vandoorne
Ocon
Stroll

Hamilton
Alonso
Kovalainen
Button
Rosberg
Bottas
Russell
Leclerc

I don't think its very close either.

It's totally relevant. The fact Hamilton has had a race winning car for every season apart from 2023 is also extremely relevant. He never had to deal with the midfield between 2014 and 2021.

[JPower]

It's totally relevant. The fact Hamilton has had a race winning car for every season apart from 2023 is also extremely relevant. He never had to deal with the midfield between 2014 and 2021.

It's really not. Race winning car or not, his teammates are still of a much higher quality from top to bottom than Alonso's.

[SoulPancake13]

This is a Ferrari thread, not an Alonso vs Hamilton thread guys.

I wonder what the Imola upgrades will look like. I assume another floor update if it is indeed targeting the ride height issues of the car, but could it be anything else? Last year in Imola we got a complete bodywork upgrade, obviously I don't expect something as large given the work done in Bahrain.

[dialtone]

Get a room you people.

[ringo]

Hamilton is already proven better for Ferrari. He's a better team player. Sainz was already holding up Albon who was faster in Jedha. He's always going to be for himself. If he stayed he would have been a stumbling block for the team.

I think we should let the season play out before any judgement. It's just too early to be throwing in the towel.

Hamilton will find the pace. He's just a difficult learner. Let's just wait. We may well be finding quotes of today in 5 month's time when there was doubt. There's a reason he didn't do well in school.

Completely false. Sainz was asked to back into range for Albon to create a DRS train to cover Hadjar. Sainz last lap was quicker than everyone else on hards outside of PIA/VER/ANT. He had tons of pace left.

You're the one that suggested Ferrari throw in the towel and pivot to working on 2026.

As for the potshot at Hamilton being a slow learner, that's weak and uncalled for. Not even funny as a joke.

I was joking about his learning ability. He did say he wasnt great in prep school. But to be serious he does have slow starta to his seasons.
In 2016 he didnt lose to Rosberg because of the engine Failure in Malaysia. The true reason he lost was because he did not get on top of the new clutch release regulations for 2016.
It was all new technical directive on clutch bitepoint and release by the driver.
He lose a good number of race starts to rosberg and Mercedes agreement at the time was that the leading driver gets the optimal strategy.
He admited as much and said he's going to work on his starts. He took the time off to improve and he did. He didnt help himself by not putting in the focus on that from the start of the season. Maybe he leaned on talent too much or underestimated the little things.
But Rosberg focused on every little thing gain an advantage.
Ferrari can focus on 2026 more. Realistically the constructors is very unlikely. McLaren is very strong and they have 2 good drivers.
As for learning, i think Lewis is in an information overload, typical of anyone in their 30s.
None of us at his age can go back to college and be sharper and quicker at adapting like a young 20 year college student. So the learning challenge is relative to the younger drivers and it's a real thing.

Anyhow it looks like his management reads this thread because he has chosen to put of other plans and go to work early this week.

[ringo]

For one year. Hamilton has been beaten by 3 F1 teammates and likely 4 after this season. Alonso is one of the greatest talents to ever grace F1. Hamilton has enjoyed the best machinery of any F1 driver ever.

Alonso hasn't had the quality of teammates Hamilton has. Using that as a metric is crazy.

Alonso
Marques
Trulli
Fisichella
Hamilton
Piquet Jr
Grosjean
Massa
Button
Vandoorne
Ocon
Stroll

Hamilton
Alonso
Kovalainen
Button
Rosberg
Bottas
Russell
Leclerc

I don't think its very close either.

It's totally relevant. The fact Hamilton has had a race winning car for every season apart from 2023 is also extremely relevant. He never had to deal with the midfield between 2014 and 2021.

What's the whole point of this Alonso comparison?
Hamilton never had a contractual #2. Faced reigning champions and has over 100 wins doing. He's the most successful in the sport and likely will remain so if Max doesnt get a dominant car for the next 3 to 5 years. Any other driver will need to win at least 7 championships while defeating reigning champions in the same car to be in the same conversation.
Currently we are looking at Ferrari 2025 and how Lewis can overcome difficulties to beat Charles or just to give Ferarri a good season.

[ringo]

This is a Ferrari thread, not an Alonso vs Hamilton thread guys.

I wonder what the Imola upgrades will look like. I assume another floor update if it is indeed targeting the ride height issues of the car, but could it be anything else? Last year in Imola we got a complete bodywork upgrade, obviously I don't expect something as large given the work done in Bahrain.

I think they need sidepod and engine cover updates.

[Waz]

This is a Ferrari thread, not an Alonso vs Hamilton thread guys.

I wonder what the Imola upgrades will look like. I assume another floor update if it is indeed targeting the ride height issues of the car, but could it be anything else? Last year in Imola we got a complete bodywork upgrade, obviously I don't expect something as large given the work done in Bahrain.

I think they need sidepod and engine cover updates.

This can't be serious. The problem has clearly been floor and suspension related. I genuinely believe you are just trolling this thread with some of your comments

[CMSMJ1]

This is a Ferrari thread, not an Alonso vs Hamilton thread guys.

I wonder what the Imola upgrades will look like. I assume another floor update if it is indeed targeting the ride height issues of the car, but could it be anything else? Last year in Imola we got a complete bodywork upgrade, obviously I don't expect something as large given the work done in Bahrain.

This... ^^^

Let's not get into more waffling yin-yang when we all know how it ends?

We all were interested to see how Lewis would come to Ferrari and we'll see by the end of this season who made the right call, or who made the mistakes.

Keep it civil and on topic please

[ScuderiaLeo]

AutoRacer is still reporting that the reason for the problems with pace is the inappropriate ride height, especially at high fuel. (This is caused by the suspension but they won't be able to fully fix that.) The next update is focused on bringing better aero and a better use of the tires as they believe they're still losing out on performance through incorrect tire prep/understanding.

The balance of the car during the race reems OK when in the hands of Leclerc and the setups he's choosing. Not perfect but it's more the lack of pace they're concerned with now and improving consistency for qualifying. Ferrari will continue to help Hamilton find comfort in the car and over these weeks work on a more appropriate style of taking corners. The implication of the article is that there's no discussion about changing the car's development just for Hamilton (not that this was ever a thing but some people here claimed it so...), rather they're expecting him to adapt and will help him through any adjustments he needs.

Somewhat related... the drivers are in Maranello today. No rest after Jeddah, time to work.

[Space-heat]

AutoRacer is still reporting that the reason for the problems with pace is the inappropriate ride height, especially at high fuel. (This is caused by the suspension but they won't be able to fully fix that.) The next update is focused on bringing better aero and a better use of the tires as they believe they're still losing out on performance through incorrect tire prep/understanding.

The balance of the car during the race reems OK when in the hands of Leclerc and the setups he's choosing. Not perfect but it's more the lack of pace they're concerned with now and improving consistency for qualifying. Ferrari will continue to help Hamilton find comfort in the car and over these weeks work on a more appropriate style of taking corners. The implication of the article is that there's no discussion about changing the car's development just for Hamilton (not that this was ever a thing but some people here claimed it so...), rather they're expecting him to adapt and will help him through any adjustments he needs.

Somewhat related... the drivers are in Maranello today. No rest after Jeddah, time to work.

Did I miss in the article but I did not read in that AutoRacer article that there can be no fix to the ride height issue. I also haven't seen it attributed to the suspension. Or is the information in other articles?

I know the suspension has been touted as the issue but have we had AR or similar reputable source pinpointing what is causing the ride height issue and that it can't be fixed? Charles seems to have suggested post Bahrain (I think) that a fix is coming just not as soon as he would like.

[f1316]

AutoRacer is still reporting that the reason for the problems with pace is the inappropriate ride height, especially at high fuel. (This is caused by the suspension but they won't be able to fully fix that.) The next update is focused on bringing better aero and a better use of the tires as they believe they're still losing out on performance through incorrect tire prep/understanding.

The balance of the car during the race reems OK when in the hands of Leclerc and the setups he's choosing. Not perfect but it's more the lack of pace they're concerned with now and improving consistency for qualifying. Ferrari will continue to help Hamilton find comfort in the car and over these weeks work on a more appropriate style of taking corners. The implication of the article is that there's no discussion about changing the car's development just for Hamilton (not that this was ever a thing but some people here claimed it so...), rather they're expecting him to adapt and will help him through any adjustments he needs.

Somewhat related... the drivers are in Maranello today. No rest after Jeddah, time to work.

So ultimately, if the cause of the lack of performance is ride height, and the cause of the ride height issue is suspension, the car has essentially built with a major design flaw, right? That’s pretty damning. It arguably brings into question the strategy of taking such a big risk to change the suspension in the final year of a regulation - albeit, someone is probably going to tell me that changing the front suspension doesn’t impact this issue but I find it coincidental, to say the least.

This is also still why I remain very interested in the sprint. Maybe they won’t want to “waste” the data gathering by running the car lower than they would in the race itself, but it seems like they can get away with an ok plank wear over a sprint but not a race distance (judging by China). It’ll be interesting if they again perform well in the sprint but drop back in the race and this would tell us the extent to which the ride height is causing issues.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Did I miss in the article but I did not read in that AutoRacer article that there can be no fix to the ride height issue. I also haven't seen it attributed to the suspension. Or is the information in other articles?

I know the suspension has been touted as the issue but have we had AR or similar reputable source pinpointing what is causing the ride height issue and that is can't be fixed? Charles seems to have suggested post Bahrain (I think) that a fix is coming just not as soon as he would like.

There was some clarification not in the article on Giuliana and Duchessa's Twitter accounts. Giuliana's is still up I think, or it was when I checked half an hour ago.

But anyways, what I meant is that Ferrari is not expected to change the suspension design this season. Not that they aren't trying to fix the issue of the height. Sorry if that wasn't well explained. For the height, that wasn't really clear but they said they're trying to widen the operating window so that probably falls under that?

To be honest because the article isn't as doomposty as their previous ones, it feels like a good sign to me about where they think Ferrari's progress is. If they thought Ferrari was totally lost they would've made it into a bigger deal.

If they have a stream this week I plan to attend and bother them because their information has been a bit inconsistent the past few weeks. For example a few weeks ago they claimed the height wasn't a prominent issue. I wonder if this is just the AR team getting news from conflicting sources, or if it's Ferrari uncovering more and AR reporting it as it goes. I just remembered Duchessa said engine news would come "soon" too...