2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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deadhead
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"We struggled to put everything together" is becoming a bit of a joke statement at this point.

What happens when they put everything together?!

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I predicted all of this when they went to the pull rod. I predicted their leadership was crap when they spent 400mil for a has-been. I said when they passed on Newey it was a death knell. None of this is surprising and I predicted all of it. This is not a championship caliber team, and they do not have the leadership or drivers with the charisma to lead them out. I mean, my god, have they even figured out the drinks leak yet? :lol: Smh.
Watching F1 since 1986.

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Charles did say he got the maximum and there is no more pace in the car. So Fred must be speaking about the putwall and the preparations of the car.
For Sure!!

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Watching the onboards, Charles front tyres broke traction into turn one near the apex and again in another corner. As if they were not up to temperature. Then in the last corner it was as if the rears got too hot and the back was breaking traction.
Lewis didnt have this issue. His tyres probably warmed correctly. However he was feeling for the front end a few times, and pre-empting the back coming out in th high speed corners and not hugging the corner as tight as say Charles was. Overall Lewis not flowing with single steering motions. Either fear of crashing or the car having no feeling of what its doing or about to do. Generally the laps weren't bad.
Kimi just had more grip and commitment.
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ringo wrote:
03 May 2025, 03:10
Watching the onboards, Charles front tyres broke traction into turn one near the apex and again in another corner. As if they were not up to temperature. Then in the last corner it was as if the rears got too hot and the back was breaking traction.
Lewis didnt have this issue. His tyres probably warmed correctly. However he was feeling for the front end a few times, and pre-empting the back coming out in th high speed corners and not hugging the corner as tight as say Charles was. Overall Lewis not flowing with single steering motions. Either fear of crashing or the car having no feeling of what its doing or about to do. Generally the laps weren't bad.
Kimi just had more grip and commitment.

That is correct. Not sure where leclerc was wringing the neck out of the car comes from. His lap definitely wasnt clean. Turn one was hideous. Hamilton cannot find the apex of turn 8 to save his life apparently. Verstapoen also missed turn 8 apex. Lando had a moment in turn 7. Piastri completely blew turn 17. Russel went too early and blew the exit of turn 8. You have all these top guys making mistakes and thats how you end up with Antonelli on pole. I expect the main quali to be completely different. Russell or Piastri are the favorites imo. Sprint quali is always unpredictable as noone really have dialed in their laps yet.

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Chuckjr wrote:
03 May 2025, 02:41
I predicted all of this when they went to the pull rod. I predicted their leadership was crap when they spent 400mil for a has-been. I said when they passed on Newey it was a death knell. None of this is surprising and I predicted all of it. This is not a championship caliber team, and they do not have the leadership or drivers with the charisma to lead them out. I mean, my god, have they even figured out the drinks leak yet? :lol: Smh.
The most concerning bit from the technical side is that this is now 4 years of stable regulations and they still can't produce a competitive car, and yet there is hope that this very group can produce such a machine for 2026!

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deadhead wrote:
03 May 2025, 07:06
Chuckjr wrote:
03 May 2025, 02:41
I predicted all of this when they went to the pull rod. I predicted their leadership was crap when they spent 400mil for a has-been. I said when they passed on Newey it was a death knell. None of this is surprising and I predicted all of it. This is not a championship caliber team, and they do not have the leadership or drivers with the charisma to lead them out. I mean, my god, have they even figured out the drinks leak yet? :lol: Smh.
The most concerning bit from the technical side is that this is now 4 years of stable regulations and they still can't produce a competitive car, and yet there is hope that this very group can produce such a machine for 2026!
2022 they produced a competitive car from the jump but td 39(?) killed the concept

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The SF-24 was competitive for the second half of the season. Was it the best? No but it got 5 wins, that's hardly a bad car.

The problem is being good for 1/2 of a season isn't enough to go for the title, and that's what a team like Ferrari should be doing. Especially with the driver line ups it has had for the past 15 years.

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There is one thing that i don't really get. It was so difficult for Ferrari and RB also from what my eyes see, to start 2025 with front and rear wings to be bending like hell like the MB ones? And ok when the rule forbid this excessive flex they could revert to normal flex in the front at least? I mean they didn't do that for the cost of it?
Its impressive what MB and secondary McLaren gain from this.

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bluechris wrote:
03 May 2025, 08:32
There is one thing that i don't really get. It was so difficult for Ferrari and RB also from what my eyes see, to start 2025 with front and rear wings to be bending like hell like the MB ones? And ok when the rule forbid this excessive flex they could revert to normal flex in the front at least? I mean they didn't do that for the cost of it?
Its impressive what MB and secondary McLaren gain from this.
All speculation but could be the case of them not trusting the FIA to go all in into an area they've been looking at for awhile now. Red Bull believe McLaren will be nowhere come Barcelona and if thats true it could be the same case for Merc, their wings flex the most, but also Merc and Mclaren could introduce fixes mitigating the td, nothing changes and theyve gained an advantage from their flexi wings at the start of the season, who knows. Its also interesting Ferrari are waiting until Barcelona to introduce a large upgrade.

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Hammerfist wrote:
03 May 2025, 03:17

That is correct. Not sure where leclerc was wringing the neck out of the car comes from. His lap definitely wasnt clean. Turn one was hideous. Hamilton cannot find the apex of turn 8 to save his life apparently. Verstapoen also missed turn 8 apex. Lando had a moment in turn 7. Piastri completely blew turn 17. Russel went too early and blew the exit of turn 8. You have all these top guys making mistakes and thats how you end up with Antonelli on pole. I expect the main quali to be completely different. Russell or Piastri are the favorites imo. Sprint quali is always unpredictable as noone really have dialed in their laps yet.
This is such a poor analysis. Antonelli lost to Russell in T17 more than Piastri lost to Norris there. Verstappen gained through 8 on everyone. Russell was on par with Antonelli until the slow speed and actually gained on him on the exit of 8. He lost 0.25 in the slow speed.

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Chuckjr wrote:
03 May 2025, 02:41
I predicted all of this when they went to the pull rod. I predicted their leadership was crap when they spent 400mil for a has-been. I said when they passed on Newey it was a death knell. None of this is surprising and I predicted all of it. This is not a championship caliber team, and they do not have the leadership or drivers with the charisma to lead them out. I mean, my god, have they even figured out the drinks leak yet? :lol: Smh.
The fact that you 'predicted' any of this because of a switch to pull-rod means your prognostication means utterly nothing. What specifically is it about pull-rod that you knew was a disaster? Explain in very detailed terms, as you seem to know better than actual educated professionals.

Also crapping on Leclerc? What the hell has he EVER done wrong, ffs? The guy is class, loyal, and a top talent. Jesus christ.

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nico5 wrote:
03 May 2025, 12:00
Hammerfist wrote:
03 May 2025, 03:17

That is correct. Not sure where leclerc was wringing the neck out of the car comes from. His lap definitely wasnt clean. Turn one was hideous. Hamilton cannot find the apex of turn 8 to save his life apparently. Verstapoen also missed turn 8 apex. Lando had a moment in turn 7. Piastri completely blew turn 17. Russel went too early and blew the exit of turn 8. You have all these top guys making mistakes and thats how you end up with Antonelli on pole. I expect the main quali to be completely different. Russell or Piastri are the favorites imo. Sprint quali is always unpredictable as noone really have dialed in their laps yet.
This is such a poor analysis. Antonelli lost to Russell in T17 more than Piastri lost to Norris there. Verstappen gained through 8 on everyone. Russell was on par with Antonelli until the slow speed and actually gained on him on the exit of 8. He lost 0.25 in the slow speed.
Sometimes you have to look at the laps before being buried in blind telemetry. Just watch the onboards. Verstappen missed turn 8. It’s pretty damn obvious. If he gained there on everyone then it’s likely the car and he can improve there for sure. What you said about Russell and antonelli is outright false. Russelll loses everywhere after the first sector, which points to his excursion at the exit of 8 and track evolution most likely.

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Luscion wrote:
03 May 2025, 07:41
2022 they produced a competitive car from the jump but td 39(?) killed the concept
Worrying thing is the team that designed the F1-75 is all gone, what they manage to bring next year is a huge mystery, that's before we consider the PU lottery

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This is why sprints are absolutely unnecessary. In such treacherous conditions...Charles has crashed through no fault of his own...unbelievable.