2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[woocasz]

Are we really going to debate about this for 2 more pages when Leclerc already said he thinks it was both his and the team's error?

Also I don't understand people going "look they did a good strategy! Their strategy team is perfect!" They make good calls sometimes and terrible calls other times, one doesn't cancel the other out.

And the softs call and pit timing was Hamilton's.



Ferrari's pit crew has been incredible this season, the one thing I can count on every week is them. Can't say the same for Verstappen's...

yes, we will
Charles had a great last season, especially the second part of the season (after the summer break) best on the grid. Last race: perfect, but now he has made an amateur mistake. ‘We have’ a mega difficult start of the season and now something like this...

one thing is for sure who we can blame:
"must be the water"
LOL

[Xyz22]

Embarrassing performance on inters as expected. Slower than Williams, by a huge margin as well.

Towards the end of the stint, Hamilton was the second slowest out of the top 10. Only Haddad was slower.

Yup. Tried to explain many times that it wasn't Leclerc/ Sainz fault but the chassis has always been garbage with inter tyres. The car just slides everywhere...

[Xyz22]

Embarrassing performance on inters as expected. Slower than Williams, by a huge margin as well.

I really doubt Hamilton was pushing much there, considering their general performance and Leclerc's crash he probably knew they had 0% chance of catching Russell.

So even if their pace is far away from the top three I don't think it was truly as bad as it seemed either.

No he was struggling massively with absolutely 0 grip.

[Luscion]

Apparently the call to pit and the call to go onto the softs was Lewis', Ferrari were going for the mediums

[NoDivergence]

Hamilton making mega calls again. Ferrari was probably going to leave him out to die

[j_ste]

Towards the end of the inter stint, the car just wouldn’t turn. But then, maybe that’s partly because it was time for slicks.

But even when it was still wet, the pace was bad. Which is understandable…the car is iffy in general.

[ringo]

Lewis made the call to come in. Six free points basically. Hasn't changed much in the title standings.
But the inter tyre is concerning. Why can't they work on Ferraris over the years?
The understeer in the car is atrocious. The differential and its control is to blame. Ferrari could be behind in this aspect.

[catent]

Whether it’s ride height, rear suspension dynamics, or some combination of both, there is something truly lacking in terms of low/medium speed traction, drivability, and performance.

Seems they went wrong with the rear suspension design / weight distribution in a way that has compromised the car in a pretty significant manner.

Poor qualifying pace. Poor wet performance. Good but not spectacular race pace / tire deg. There seemingly isn’t much to look forward to this season besides watching Charles’ performances and his efforts to extract the maximum from the car.

Genuinely disappointing and unfortunate because I think they’d be close enough to compete with McLaren if they were able to run the car at an optimal ride height.

[ringo]

I am still hopeful a mid season upgrade will bring them into contention the fight for wins similar to the end of last year.

[Ken27]

Can't judge the car based on Lewis driving it. He's clearly not comfortable with the car yet so he's not getting the most out it like Leclerc would have.

[ScuderiaLeo]

At this point we are just competing for P3 in the WCC So six points counts for quite a bit even if it has no effect on the driver standings.

Still a shame about the China DSQ, it wasn't many points lost but they'd be ahead of RBR right now at least.

Can't judge the car based on Lewis driving it. He's clearly not comfortable with the car yet so he's not getting the most out it like Leclerc would have.

Leclerc obviously wasn't comfortable with the car today either considering he said he felt like had no control over it...

The car is just horrible in the wet, I doubt there's a single driver out there who could drive it comfortably. Whether it's Hamilton or Leclerc or Verstappen or Senna's reincarnation, none of them can fix the fact the car refused to turn on the inters.

[Xyz22]

At this point we are just competing for P3 in the WCC So six points counts for quite a bit even if it has no effect on the driver standings.

Still a shame about the China DSQ, it wasn't many points lost but they'd be ahead of RBR right now at least.

Can't judge the car based on Lewis driving it. He's clearly not comfortable with the car yet so he's not getting the most out it like Leclerc would have.

Leclerc obviously wasn't comfortable with the car today either considering he said he felt like had no control over it...

The car is just horrible in the wet, I doubt there's a single driver out there who could drive it comfortably. Whether it's Hamilton or Leclerc or Verstappen or Senna's reincarnation, none of them can fix the fact the car refused to turn on the inters.

This is due to aquaplanning, not the car itself. In any event he wouldn't have been different even with Leclerc. The car is awful with intermediate tyres.

[catent]

Yes, recent Ferraris have always been iffy in the wet, but this was another level of bad.

Ride height (and the impact on downforce) is really critical in wet conditions.

If a given team was running a couple mm higher than most others, we’d expect that team to really struggle in the wet relative to the majority of the other teams running lower.

This uniquely bad wet weather sprint performance very much aligns with the purported issues regarding ride height, IMO.

[Farnborough]

Whether it’s ride height, rear suspension dynamics, or some combination of both, there is something truly lacking in terms of low/medium speed traction, drivability, and performance.

Seems they went wrong with the rear suspension design / weight distribution in a way that has compromised the car in a pretty significant manner.

Poor qualifying pace. Poor wet performance. Good but not spectacular race pace / tire deg. There seemingly isn’t much to look forward to this season besides watching Charles’ performances and his efforts to extract the maximum from the car.

Genuinely disappointing and unfortunate because I think they’d be close enough to compete with McLaren if they were able to run the car at an optimal ride height.

There's contention back in this thread from an outside source about torsional performanceof the SF25, and dismissed by contributors on here ... although it has more and more plausible basis the more condition we see this chassis run.
Some of the things they say they can or can't change lend more credence to that hypotethesis. It has a "dna" to operating it so far this season that bring higher suspicion to that as cause in principle.

[Sidiamal]

Those of us who lived through McLaren 2013 are getting some stupendous déjà vu. Concept change in the last year of the regulations for a car that was already knocking on the door of the title taking it out of contention? Yeah I've seen that before.