2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Sevach]

The tech department definitely feels like it needs a new brain, the team is always chasing trends, doing what others have already done and the results of the copies are often half baked.
Feels like the last time Ferrari brought something that wasn't a copy from a RBR or Mclaren feature was the bathtub in 22.

[organic]

The tech department definitely feels like it needs a new brain, the team is always chasing trends, doing what others have already done and the results of the copies are often half baked.
Feels like the last time Ferrari brought something that wasn't a copy from a RBR or Mclaren feature was the bathtub in 22.

I don't agree. Ferrari have been going completely different direction with their floor and diffuser ideas to other teams since the beginning of 2022. And until recently it worked well

They brought the s-duct first, cobra winglets, v-shaped rws that everyone runs now

I would say they have pioneered maybe the most out of all teams in this reg set

[venkyhere]

Guys I think we should stop talking about the drivers and talk about the car. It's clear now there is a fundamental flaw with the SF-25. Whether it was caused by 'we need the driver to sit more rearwards' and the associated gearbox shrinking / packaging architecture changes or whether it was caused by suspension change or floor revision or whatever, the end result was actually sad to see yesterday :
RB21 with its latest floor was approx 0.5s faster in sector1 alone, one major braking event and the rest being medium/medium-fast sections that lasts around 28-29 seconds. 1/2 a second difference there is like 1.75% difference in performance. That's an eternity in F1.

[balex]

Chuck keeps repeating the same nightmare he is having each night, only to wake up and see that it is reality.
Newey will not have done anything special in Ferrari. Watch and see what he does at Aston next year. I wont be surprised if Aston fails.
Get over it and move on Chuck. Ferrari already made back that 400 million, and they're going to make even more money with Hamilton as the season progresses. There will also be a win.
At it is now, Hamilton is driving better. Just about 1.5 tenth off Charles. Steadily improving. By year end they will be about even and have more silverware. 2026 is the championship year, not this one.

Weak and baseless nonsense. He is a has been. The end. I predicted this entire thing a year ago and I was dam right. And stop attacking posters Ringo. You of all people should know that. Good grief.

Your comments are so devoid of substance there’s nothing else to target but the poster

You’re ranting without even realizing that:

1. F1 is marketing and Hamilton is the biggest personal brand F1 has ever had. And despite achieving that status with Mercedes, Ferrari is likely now the one who actually gets to tap all of his post-F1 value for as long as they wish.

2. You think it was even Vasseur’s decision? I’m pretty sure signing Hamilton is a decision way over his head. So you can’t even direct your impotent rage at the right person

[.Bole]

People still here live in dreams after last night

[Fakepivot]

People still here live in dreams after last night

let us, what problem for you?
we just supporting the team we like... like wth is this thread. Oh I predicted this or that, I mean I can Predict that the next update they bring is going to be even more "Dud" don't make me a freaking genius. or I can predict the next update will make them remain where they are. or predict it will take them to top, see it's not hard to Effing predict.

Embarising to read this thread...

[Jdn1327]

Why was the deg so bad on the inters compared to the other teams? Is it because of the increased rife height?

[Xyz22]

The tech department definitely feels like it needs a new brain, the team is always chasing trends, doing what others have already done and the results of the copies are often half baked.
Feels like the last time Ferrari brought something that wasn't a copy from a RBR or Mclaren feature was the bathtub in 22.

I don't agree. Ferrari have been going completely different direction with their floor and diffuser ideas to other teams since the beginning of 2022. And until recently it worked well

They brought the s-duct first, cobra winglets, v-shaped rws that everyone runs now

I would say they have pioneered maybe the most out of all teams in this reg set

It was more or less the same in the previous reg cycle. The issue is that they can't follow a linear development path year over year. They always --- up.

[Fakepivot]

Why was the deg so bad on the inters compared to the other teams? Is it because of the increased rife height?

could be massive understeer, I felt like I saw few bits come of the front tire right on the lap he went to pit..like on the that curvy stright leading up to under the bridge, not sure if those were his on tire threads or pick ups.

[bluechris]

The tech department definitely feels like it needs a new brain, the team is always chasing trends, doing what others have already done and the results of the copies are often half baked.
Feels like the last time Ferrari brought something that wasn't a copy from a RBR or Mclaren feature was the bathtub in 22.

I don't agree. Ferrari have been going completely different direction with their floor and diffuser ideas to other teams since the beginning of 2022. And until recently it worked well

They brought the s-duct first, cobra winglets, v-shaped rws that everyone runs now

I would say they have pioneered maybe the most out of all teams in this reg set

Yeah and we all saw how good this innovations went, we don't have anymore space in the closet for the championship trophies from the last year's.
Newey miss was a huge mistake.

[MattLightBlue]

Guys I think we should stop talking about the drivers and talk about the car. It's clear now there is a fundamental flaw with the SF-25. Whether it was caused by 'we need the driver to sit more rearwards' and the associated gearbox shrinking / packaging architecture changes or whether it was caused by suspension change or floor revision or whatever, the end result was actually sad to see yesterday :
RB21 with its latest floor was approx 0.5s faster in sector1 alone, one major braking event and the rest being medium/medium-fast sections that lasts around 28-29 seconds. 1/2 a second difference there is like 1.75% difference in performance. That's an eternity in F1.

I agree. I waited 6 weekends to give a judgement but something doesn’t add up with SF-25. There is a major flaw which prevents them to go full downforce. On top of that, last year slow corners were our strength, while now we cannot figure out a proper setup for riding kerbs and be fast there.

I hope this is a consequence of a compromise, and these defects can be mitigated with a floor update. At least to be fighting for podiums…

[DJ Downforce]

It's all down to ride height. You lose grip, downforce, drivability, tyre management, consistency and other things when you can't run low in this regulation set. I guarantee if they were 3mm lower they wouldn't have any problems.

See Mercedes Brazil 2023. They ran the car too high and had the same problems, they were slower than Alpha Tauri ffs!

[ScuderiaLeo]

Some thoughts from AR. https://autoracer.it/it/analisi-miami-q ... i-mercedes

The U.S. trip witnessed the worst Ferrari of the season, rivaling only Saturday in Melbourne. Adjustments made by the engineers shifted the balance more towards the front, showing improvement in fast corners and traction compared to the Sprint Shootout lap. Yet this wasn't enough, with a half-second gap from pole position—potentially seven-tenths if Norris had assembled a clean lap. The SF-25 lacks aerodynamic downforce, with balance deficiencies causing huge losses in slow sections—a well-known issue this weekend in Miami. Raising the car compared to the Sprint caused substantial performance losses: a severe judgment in this car generation, where generating downforce across a broad ride-height range is crucial. Additionally, both drivers pushed to the limit, and the car's potential matched the result. Lewis Hamilton exited in Q2, and Charles Leclerc advanced only thanks to a tow in the final sector worth nearly one-tenth (70 milliseconds). Realistically, Ferrari would have had both drivers close and eliminated in Q2, highlighting a very disappointing qualifying.

Intrinsic problems with this project continue to severely limit Charles Leclerc and Lewis Hamilton, especially the SF-25's inability to exploit peak tire performance. Compared to Sprint Qualifying, the gap increased, and Williams slotted in ahead, pushing Leclerc down further, while Hamilton struggled again with the car's lack of feel. Currently, the SF-25 has a weak rear end: a more "neutral" balance in the Sprint led to understeer, prompting a front-biased approach for the weekend’s second half, resulting in oversteer and total rear grip loss—particularly penalizing the seven-time world champion. Drivers are at their limit, delivering seemingly good laps only to find themselves P8 and half a second behind. Urgent corrections, solutions, and upgrades are required. Until then, barring extraordinary situations like the Sprint Race, Ferrari remains a modest car, aiming at the gap between top teams and midfield, unless miracles occur from the drivers. Red Bull's example shows improvements can happen quickly with sensitive cars, but updates are essential to salvage an otherwise highly insufficient and unacceptable season given the significant Constructors' Championship deficit.

That was a mistake by the translators. Vasseur said they are expecting a big shower tomorrow, not that they are hoping for rain.

In any event, his other statements don't make any sense.

Thank you for the clarification, I didn't realize it was a mistranslation. That makes a lot more sense.

Seems like it will rain and maybe even thunder, so wish or not we're getting it.

[ringo]

Critical eyes should be firmly directed towards the team, not the drivers.

Team for focusing on drivers and not on someone like Newey when he was available. He could have been wearing red right now instead of wasting his time on a saudi oil sponsored fiasco.

I think Newy is to be blamed more than Ferrari. He did not want to move to Itally and he wanted ownership in an F1 team. Two deal breakers.
So unless Ferrari opens another UK office like they did in the past, theyre probably gonna continue with their isolation and culture of being almost there.
Chuck's opinion seems to be that it was either Newey or Hamilton. And this is not the case. The two were never linked. Newey is not as expensive and could have been afforded along with Hamilton. That 400 mil spend on Lewis is not in one go, and it was actually an overnight return on investment with the stock and the puma/ferrari merch sales multiplying by 8 times.
The drivers and engineering staff are separate.
Ferrari should be targeting the other top engineers. Like a Rob Marshall or some of the Alpine guys. That Alpine Chassis is well tuned and has shown good balance for an old 2024 tub.

[IntrinsicVoid]

^ David Sanchez left Ferrari in 2023, seems like you’re not aware.