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[pantherxxx]

The race pace advantage of those McLarens compared to the rest of the field, what was that?! Qualifying was close but today this, rest is F2 compared to McLaren. Don't know what they're doing with the rear tyre temps but it creates a completely different story on sunday compared to saturday. Are all other teams such fools or is there something going on insude those McLaren rear brake drums? Hearing about blue spots on the thermal cameras in places like Jeddah and Bahrain is just insane..

It’s like they have a built-in "thermostat." The tyres are always at the right temperature, 100% of the time. No overheating in hot conditions, yet they can still easily warm up in cold conditions. I don’t even know how that’s possible without some kind of active water-cooling system.

[Sergej]

Asked if the next upgrade package would be enough, he replied: "It has to [be], but such a big step is difficult to catch up."

-Marko
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mark ... /10719958/

I mean he's completely right, you can't make up such a big advantage with an upgrade. Yesterday Russell said a similar thing, "Development is not enough to catch them, we need FIA to intervene", everyone hopes in the TD, which is clearly wishful thinking at this stage, we'll see.

[pantherxxx]

"The TD on the front wings: the Red Bull conviction and world hopes pass through Barcelona

But why so much trust? There he will start the new TD on the front wings, which should significantly reduce the phenomenon of flexible wings, which teams have studied extensively in recent years. The team most under the magnifying glass is the McLaren which for this reason, by many, is indicated as the team that will be most affected by that measure. Especially in Milton Keynes they have a strong belief so much that, in the latest AutoRacer live, Matteo Bobbi reported some paddock conversations with Red Bull men in which “they claim that McLaren from Barcelona will be ‘nowhere ”, making it clear that they expect a major drop by MCL39. “And Max is convinced that he can play the world championship if he arrives at that stage still close to them

The conviction of the teams, not only Red Bull but also Mercedes and Ferrari as he has repeatedly stressed George Russell and recently also Charles Leclerc, it is not due so much to the idea that McLaren suddenly loses tenths of performance due to a different front wing. At Milton Keynes, however, they know very well the mind behind the MCL39, Rob Marshall, with very extreme ideas that have often been blocked by Red Bull itself, and which are believed to have been introduced instead once they passed into that Woking. A flexible wing is a direct but also indirect gain, significantly influencing the balance. Today the MCL39 is in perfect balance and expresses a higher load peak and an unreachable tire management for others. However, if the incoming TD goes to influence this balance, as we also see in the other teams, these cars are very sensitive to any variation and it is possible to find or lose performance by touching the right points."

Source: https://autoracer.it/it/red-bull-aggior ... td-mclaren

[Macafangrskg]

Just as a conversation topic. To all the fans of Red Bull, Ferrari are not a little bit suspicious that McLaren doesn't brought any performance upgrade so far? Only small upgrades. Maybe come June McLaren will launch a full 2.0 version that will destroy the competition. You believe that the technical team at Woking just siting and waiting for the doom and gloom of June 1st? And the resources that RB and Ferrari spend now it hurts them in the 26 car. McLaren is playing the long game . Red Bull lost all the high end technical stuff , they know that they are behind in engine for 26 and the have only one solution. Max.....mmmm and call every other team cheaters

[mwillems]

I expected the McLaren to be only slightly quicker than Max but yeah nothing like this.

Totally unexpected for me.

Only Adrian could stop them i fear...

I’m surprised that Norris and Piastri managed to fool you for so long.

Ahahah

Come on this race was insane... In the previous races they didn't have this insane advantage

Oh we've been having this conversation!

Yesterday was truly dominant and the best performance from a Mclaren design for over a decade, super pleased. Max did a good job of fighting, aggressive but fair and contributed towards a really exciting race, my heart was in my mouth and it was in some ways a shame when Lando got past too.

RB will have their time this season. Gaps like this are going continue to not be the norm and this season you need strong pace to overtake. The Mclaren has a few issues on the Saturday that can tease mistakes from the drivers and if Max can win on the Saturday, he's got chances for strong points on the Sunday still, even if his car is slower because ultimately, outright pace is part of the equation and track position carries a lot of weight this year, and Max is very aggressive in keeping that position, so you need to be even faster than if you were against anyone else.

So far though, TD and updates withstanding, whilst Mclaren can be challenged the same car can't do it consistently.

I wish you the best of luck, but I hope the "prophecies" come true and we start to race like this through Europe all the way to a WDC. You need to learn to share them better

[Sergej]

Just as a conversation topic. To all the fans of Red Bull, Ferrari are not a little bit suspicious that McLaren doesn't brought any performance upgrade so far? Only small upgrades. Maybe come June McLaren will launch a full 2.0 version that will destroy the competition. You believe that the technical team at Woking just siting and waiting for the doom and gloom of June 1st? And the resources that RB and Ferrari spend now it hurts them in the 26 car. McLaren is playing the long game . Red Bull lost all the high end technical stuff , they know that they are behind in engine for 26 and the have only one solution. Max.....mmmm and call every other team cheaters

probably McLaren already have some upgrades ready, but they are scary to make the car more unstable in chase of performance (the Red Bull story...), especially for "some" of their drivers

anyway in Imola everyone should have some packages

[mwillems]

They have already developed a diffuser that was tested, but haven't yet raced it. They've stated they have brought some mechanical upgrades, but we do not know specifically what they are, though you can guess.

[Paa]

I'm not hopeful for the Barca TD all. Even if McLaren loses 1-2 tenths of ultimate pace, that won't change much. They'll easily finish 1-2 on most tracks even if starting from the 3rd row.

Their silver bullet is their tyre temp management. That needs to be either banned or replicated and very soon, otherwise it's game over. They'll have 50+ points advantage by summer.

[CjC]

"The TD on the front wings: the Red Bull conviction and world hopes pass through Barcelona

But why so much trust? There he will start the new TD on the front wings, which should significantly reduce the phenomenon of flexible wings, which teams have studied extensively in recent years. The team most under the magnifying glass is the McLaren which for this reason, by many, is indicated as the team that will be most affected by that measure. Especially in Milton Keynes they have a strong belief so much that, in the latest AutoRacer live, Matteo Bobbi reported some paddock conversations with Red Bull men in which “they claim that McLaren from Barcelona will be ‘nowhere ”, making it clear that they expect a major drop by MCL39. “And Max is convinced that he can play the world championship if he arrives at that stage still close to them

The conviction of the teams, not only Red Bull but also Mercedes and Ferrari as he has repeatedly stressed George Russell and recently also Charles Leclerc, it is not due so much to the idea that McLaren suddenly loses tenths of performance due to a different front wing. At Milton Keynes, however, they know very well the mind behind the MCL39, Rob Marshall, with very extreme ideas that have often been blocked by Red Bull itself, and which are believed to have been introduced instead once they passed into that Woking. A flexible wing is a direct but also indirect gain, significantly influencing the balance. Today the MCL39 is in perfect balance and expresses a higher load peak and an unreachable tire management for others. However, if the incoming TD goes to influence this balance, as we also see in the other teams, these cars are very sensitive to any variation and it is possible to find or lose performance by touching the right points."

Source: https://autoracer.it/it/red-bull-aggior ... td-mclaren

This has just been regurgitated from pre- Miami

[mwillems]

I'm not hopeful for the Barca TD all. Even if McLaren loses 1-2 tenths of ultimate pace, that won't change much. They'll easily finish 1-2 on most tracks even if starting from the 3rd row.

Their silver bullet is their tyre temp management. That needs to be either banned or replicated and very soon, otherwise it's game over. They'll have 50+ points advantage by summer.

What is there to ban with the tyre temp management?

With each wing flex change this year Stella said that it won't make a difference and it hasn't. He's also said that it will make very little difference in Spain with minor changes. I know the media and some fans are pinning their hopes on this, but I'm not sure it's going to be the answer.

[CjC]

I'm not hopeful for the Barca TD all. Even if McLaren loses 1-2 tenths of ultimate pace, that won't change much. They'll easily finish 1-2 on most tracks even if starting from the 3rd row.

Their silver bullet is their tyre temp management. That needs to be either banned or replicated and very soon, otherwise it's game over. They'll have 50+ points advantage by summer.

Banned??
IF Rob Marshall is the master mind behind keeping these tyre temps under control and pitched his ideas to Red Bull whilst being employed by them, then the only subject that should ‘banned’ is the Red Bull senior management who (as suggested in prior articles) ‘blocked’ his ideas from running the Red Bull racing team.
Let’s not forget Horners passing comment trying to downplay the loss of Marshall that he ‘works in one of our back offices not really on the race car side anymore’ when it was announced that Marshall had signed for McLaren

[Paa]

I have no idea what McLaren do with tyres, nor do I know whether it could or should be banned, I did not mean to suggest any of those.

I just simply acknowledged that they have a major advantage in that field and only way to be level with them if either taking away that from them or to replicate it somehow.
Until any of those happens it is not realistic to fight them over a season.
It is just a statement of fact.

[CjC]

Let’s leave the banning idea then.

It’s for the other teams to continue to innovate and catch up.
Russell mention after the race that Mercedes have some of their own ideas to control the temps but it will take months to implement.

[Watto]

I'm not hopeful for the Barca TD all. Even if McLaren loses 1-2 tenths of ultimate pace, that won't change much. They'll easily finish 1-2 on most tracks even if starting from the 3rd row.

Their silver bullet is their tyre temp management. That needs to be either banned or replicated and very soon, otherwise it's game over. They'll have 50+ points advantage by summer.

What is there to ban with the tyre temp management?

With each wing flex change this year Stella said that it won't make a difference and it hasn't. He's also said that it will make very little difference in Spain with minor changes. I know the media and some fans are pinning their hopes on this, but I'm not sure it's going to be the answer.

The only reason I see it being banned won't be until next year if they FIA starts thinking teams are going to spend too much (even with a cap)


But like the blown axel or blown wheel hubs of years gone by none were against the rules specifically I tend to think teams should be encouraged to but not always how the FIA sees it - internally they might see it as having zero application to road cars


Even if they did ban it I can't see them doing it this year. It would be more like 2026 what ever they are doing is banned so pointless spending on it this year - iirc they did that with DAS with Mercedes in 2020.

[mwillems]

I'm not sure if the cost will really be a reason for banning these ducts. It's also not really ascertained how much the ducts are helping vs other changes under the skin. So it seems a little hopeful, especially since they also appear to pose no threat to the rules.