2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[langedweil]

IF Rob Marshall is the master mind behind keeping these tyre temps under control and pitched his ideas to Red Bull ..

If that were the case, there would at least be the slightest idea of what is happening within or around those rears. I mean direction-wise.
That would be the base source of the tirewater circus, something that kinda acts like a mini-airco with thermostat.
Brilliant nonetheless ... hats off

[FittingMechanics]

How can they ban something when no one has any real idea about what the reason for speed is? Some are thinking it is the flexi wings, rear wings got clamped down and McLaren still has the advantage. Soon the front wings will be clamped down, we will see what happens there.

I think that it might end up not being one thing at all, it's just a matter of many small parts fitting together well.

[Watto]

I'm not sure if the cost will really be a reason for banning these ducts. It's also not really ascertained how much the ducts are helping vs other changes under the skin. So it seems a little hopeful, especially since they also appear to pose no threat to the rules.

Probably not. But I don't think it would be the first time the FIA has had some pretty loose - they could say site the blown wheel nut part of the purpose was tyre cooling - the FIA originally cleared it then later banned it as a movable aero divice - albeit here I the ducts don't move so doubt its that specifically. I think calling the blown wheel drum a movable (technically I get it is) aero divice is pretty loose and I think those kinds of innovations should be kept - if it ia what id keeping the tyres in a manageable range. IMO it's the kinda thing that F1 should be prompting. Just it's not always the case.

Its something too that can be largely passed onto next years cars too from what Stella has said.

[mwillems]

Well, you never know, there might be something in there that shrinks or expands based on heat, to be able to regulate how much heat gets to the tyres, but it's complete conjecture as far as I'm aware.

Time will tell what will happen. But I think the ducts are on part of a larger solution anyway. And if we are honest, no one really knows how much of the benefit is the ducts and how much is other changes under the skin, or the geometry. There's a lot going off in that front end.

[avantman]

I like the fact that red bull hasn't made any progress since last year in terms of their competitiveness relative to opposition. In fact the gap to Mclaren only grew bigger and they also fell back behind the Mercedes as well, but frankly all of it was expected. On the other hand It's such a pleasure watching Max on race track not in the fastest car, because car deficits highlights his individual superiority over the rest around him. Too many people seem to forgot, some may not even have understood how much better he is than those guys they often compared him with, when he was winning in 2022 and 2023 so easily looking from the outside.
Now I wonder, will this Miami grand prix weekend came down in history as the one where Max finally took a decision to move to another team. Upgrades, if they aren't downgrades in reality, do not deliver and what they bring to Imola won't deliver what Marko was babbling around as well (putting them on par with the Mclaren). RBPT 2026 power unit is far behind.
There is no real progress since Miami last year. I compared the relative pace and the deficit only grew bigger this year, much bigger since then. They keep on going backwards in relative numbers, despite Max performance was masking it for a while.

[venkyhere]

On the other hand It's such a pleasure watching Max on race track not in the fastest car, because car deficits highlights his individual superiority over the rest around him. Too many people seem to forgot, some may not even have understood how much better he is than those guys they often compared him with, when he was winning in 2022 and 2023 so easily looking from the outside.

There are people in the McLaren thread claiming that Piastri has finally 'matched' Max in terms of talent and craft ; that the lockups Max had in Australia & Miami, while trying to defend from a 1s/lap faster car, is the 'proof' for this claim.
People are so blinded by hatred, that opinions start to become facts for them.

[mwillems]

On the other hand It's such a pleasure watching Max on race track not in the fastest car, because car deficits highlights his individual superiority over the rest around him. Too many people seem to forgot, some may not even have understood how much better he is than those guys they often compared him with, when he was winning in 2022 and 2023 so easily looking from the outside.

There are people in the McLaren thread claiming that Piastri has finally 'matched' Max in terms of talent and craft ; that the lockups Max had in Australia & Miami, while trying to defend from a 1s/lap faster car, is the 'proof' for this claim.
People are so blinded by hatred, that opinions start to become facts for them.

There is 1 or 2, no more, and i think you are being overly dramatic in your description.

[nitrotech]

On the other hand It's such a pleasure watching Max on race track not in the fastest car, because car deficits highlights his individual superiority over the rest around him. Too many people seem to forgot, some may not even have understood how much better he is than those guys they often compared him with, when he was winning in 2022 and 2023 so easily looking from the outside.

I would love to see Max in a second or third best cars for the rest of his career so that we can enjoy his racing skills.

[Jambier]

There is only one big question for Red Bull:

- stop or continue trying in 2025 ?

IMO this year is gonna be a McLaren winning on both championship. Pushing too hard will only do to VER an Alonso 2012 like season.

And they have a LOT to do for 2026. New rules, new engine and partnership with Ford, no more Newey.

They are not at all favorites for 26, so pushing with every resources on it seems logical.

The other option is pushing like hell for this year trying to get title for Max, then it means already deciding that next years are lost. Don’t think this is a good option

[Matt2725]

IF Rob Marshall is the master mind behind keeping these tyre temps under control and pitched his ideas to Red Bull ..

If that were the case, there would at least be the slightest idea of what is happening within or around those rears. I mean direction-wise.
That would be the base source of the tirewater circus, something that kinda acts like a mini-airco with thermostat.
Brilliant nonetheless ... hats off

I saw B Sport had a video which suggests use of bimetallic strips and reversal of airflow in the wheel hub assembly IIRC.

[Vettel165]

Red Bull should try again that old floor from Saudi Arabia. I think it was better, as there we had much more pace in the race.

[AR3-GP]

IF Rob Marshall is the master mind behind keeping these tyre temps under control and pitched his ideas to Red Bull ..

If that were the case, there would at least be the slightest idea of what is happening within or around those rears. I mean direction-wise.
That would be the base source of the tirewater circus, something that kinda acts like a mini-airco with thermostat.
Brilliant nonetheless ... hats off

I saw B Sport had a video which suggests use of bimetallic strips and reversal of airflow in the wheel hub assembly IIRC.

In my opinion, it’s all clearly connected to why they have so much drag with the DRS open. The airflow energy is lost “somewhere”. It’s a matter of trade offs. Cooling the tires effectively would outweigh the trade off of losing straight line speed. They’ve been working on it since 2022 when they had the brake issues in Bahrain.

[Watto]

Here is the video an interesting watch who knows how accurate or feasible it is,

[AR3-GP]

Here is the video an interesting watch who knows how accurate or feasible it is,

Maybe, maybe not, but it is an interesting an idea. This kind of “switching” system (or other implementations of it) would explain why the MCL-39 doesn’t have the compromises of the RB19 and the SF-24 which were bad qualifying cars because they didn’t heat the tires up quickly enough for 1 lap pace. The drivers had always complained over the radio about the tires being cold and there were media reports about it. This is the major difference I see to how the Mclaren operates.

I’m confused though because carbon fiber is not a good conductor of heat.

[Watto]

Here is the video an interesting watch who knows how accurate or feasible it is,

Maybe, maybe not, but it is an interesting an idea. This kind of “switching” system (or other implementations of it) would explain why the MCL-39 doesn’t have the compromises of the RB19 and the SF-24 which were bad qualifying cars because they didn’t heat the tires up quickly enough for 1 lap pace. The drivers had always complained over the radio about the tires being cold and there were media reports about it. This is the major difference I see to how the Mclaren operates.

I’m confused though because carbon fiber is not a good conductor of heat.

He mentioined in part 1 of the video where he didn't really go into details of his ideas Red Bull using thermal cameras on the drums of teams using pit stops. The McLarens were cooler than every other team. I'm aware of them using the thermal cameras this weekend but though it was monitoring the tyres themselves not the cake tin.


If that is true than its suggesting something is going on there. And seems he is talking from an area of expertise in phase changing materials.