2025 McLaren F1 Team

[Darth-Piekus]

Yes, I agree. This is why any set of rules -- or laws -- has judges who decide whether the defendant is adhering to the SPIRIT of the law in addition to the LETTER of the law. Too many fans use the letter to defend a spirit violation. Granted, this involves some level of subjectivity but until we get an unbiased AI driver steward, a single individual or small group of people should judge both letter and spirit

PS: I'm not a lawyer and this does not constitute legal advice

Does your way of thinking also extend to the technical regulations? Or does the “spirit” only work where convenient in defense of Mclaren interest?

If that is a jab at Mclaren and their completely legal flexi drs wing or their supposed water tyres then I have news for you. Red Bull is the last team who should be complaining about illegalities considering their whole history is a controversy of illegalities. Overbudget Gate which built up their dominating cars of 2022 and 2023, illegal assymetrical braking system, illegal front bib, masters of bending flexi wings rules from the Vettel era and let's not forget the fixed Abu Dhabi 2021 which they orchestrated along with stewards that are favoring Max all the time because they have shops and interests affiliated with honda. If Max Mosley would have been the president of the FIA, Red Bull would have been disqualified at least once. And that are simple straight facts.

[mwillems]

How are you always messing up the quotes

[Darth-Piekus]

I don't know. Sounded like a jab at me.

[mwillems]

I mean you put your own words into the quote markup and now the wrong quotes are against the wrong posters. You seem to do it often.

[Darth-Piekus]

Is it better now?

[AR3-GP]

Is it better now?

No. Rambling about Red Bull is off topic.

[mwillems]

All good thanks, but it does come across a bit silly.

[Darth-Piekus]

Is it better now?

No. Rambling about Red Bull is off topic.

Why then start an off topic fire if you didn't want to get burned? Why take that jab insinuating that Mclaren is cheating without at least backing that up and knowing that someone more passionate will react?

[BMMR61]

McLaren technical team are bringing the magic! I recall well, in the second half of 2024 when McLaren were closing in on RB for the constructors title. We were looking for 'magical' upgrades, especially floors - the miracle of more downforce! We would look over the listed updates for an "upgrade" to make McLaren dominant over Max. Instead we just got all these 'little' brake duct and aero smoothing refinements. How would these make it possible to close down a 60+ points lead? Well in my opinion we are now seeing what Stella's team were developing and refining - a brake 'drum' which is containing/expelling/redirecting thermal energy to maintain the correct tyre temperature window. There was a lot of experimentation happening in real world situations where simulations needed confirmation. The "dark art" in Stella's recent comments are hard won gains that the competition cannot overcome quickly because they could only be developed over some time, and I would guess, are still being refined. Congratulations are due to the technical team for producing a car which may go down in F1 history as one of the greats alongside the MP4/4 and the RB19.

[Darth-Piekus]

In my opinion apart from the MP4-4 and the RB19 another great car was the MP4-1 which was so good that it lasted for 3 years.

[Macklaren]

Yes, I agree. This is why any set of rules -- or laws -- has judges who decide whether the defendant is adhering to the SPIRIT of the law in addition to the LETTER of the law. Too many fans use the letter to defend a spirit violation. Granted, this involves some level of subjectivity but until we get an unbiased AI driver steward, a single individual or small group of people should judge both letter and spirit

PS: I'm not a lawyer and this does not constitute legal advice

Does your way of thinking also extend to the technical regulations? Or does the “spirit” only work where convenient in defense of Mclaren interest?

Yes it does. That's why (as another user mentioned) teams have been asked to make changes to cars even when they are completely legal (aka McLaren mini DRS, Mercedes DAS, Ferrari 2019 engine etc)

[Mostlyeels]

McLaren technical team are bringing the magic! I recall well, in the second half of 2024 when McLaren were closing in on RB for the constructors title. We were looking for 'magical' upgrades, especially floors - the miracle of more downforce! We would look over the listed updates for an "upgrade" to make McLaren dominant over Max. Instead we just got all these 'little' brake duct and aero smoothing refinements. How would these make it possible to close down a 60+ points lead? Well in my opinion we are now seeing what Stella's team were developing and refining - a brake 'drum' which is containing/expelling/redirecting thermal energy to maintain the correct tyre temperature window. There was a lot of experimentation happening in real world situations where simulations needed confirmation. The "dark art" in Stella's recent comments are hard won gains that the competition cannot overcome quickly because they could only be developed over some time, and I would guess, are still being refined. Congratulations are due to the technical team for producing a car which may go down in F1 history as one of the greats alongside the MP4/4 and the RB19.

A couple more tidbits:

• Red Bull are probing hard with the FIA on it
• Mercedes have given up trying to find a way to ban it, and are heavily invested in R&D to duplicate it

Also, to be +105 in the WCC at only 6 races is a fantastic buffer.

[AR3-GP]

For Emag:

A clever air circulation. Stella also denies that her exceptionally good tire management in the race has nothing to do with the problems that sometimes make it difficult for drivers to set the perfect lap in qualifying. "We don't pay a price per lap for caring for the tires better than others. It's no problem for us to get the tires into their working window quickly."

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... peraturen/

Mclaren has no problems getting their tires up to temperature for qualifying. Straight from the horse's mouth. As I said before, the tire behaviour is like a heating furnace with a thermostat switch. They bring the tires up to temperature quickly and then hold them there. The RB19 and the SF24 never achieved this. They were always compromised in qualifying with cold tires. The Mclaren doesn't have any compromise in this area.

[venkyhere]

For Emag:

A clever air circulation. Stella also denies that her exceptionally good tire management in the race has nothing to do with the problems that sometimes make it difficult for drivers to set the perfect lap in qualifying. "We don't pay a price per lap for caring for the tires better than others. It's no problem for us to get the tires into their working window quickly."

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... peraturen/

Mclaren has no problems getting their tires up to temperature for qualifying. Straight from the horse's mouth. As I said before, the tire behaviour is like a heating furnace with a thermostat switch. They bring the tires up to temperature quickly and then hold them there. The RB19 and the SF24 never achieved this. They were always compromised in qualifying with cold tires. The Mclaren doesn't have any compromise in this area.

I don't think it's just variable 'airflow' within the brake ducts/cake tin.
Could be something like this : viewtopic.php?p=1283749#p1283749

[cliffgamerz]

Yes, I agree. This is why any set of rules -- or laws -- has judges who decide whether the defendant is adhering to the SPIRIT of the law in addition to the LETTER of the law. Too many fans use the letter to defend a spirit violation. Granted, this involves some level of subjectivity but until we get an unbiased AI driver steward, a single individual or small group of people should judge both letter and spirit

PS: I'm not a lawyer and this does not constitute legal advice

Does your way of thinking also extend to the technical regulations? Or does the “spirit” only work where convenient in defense of Mclaren interest?

If that is a jab at Mclaren and their completely legal flexi drs wing or their supposed water tyres then I have news for you. Red Bull is the last team who should be complaining about illegalities considering their whole history is a controversy of illegalities. Overbudget Gate which built up their dominating cars of 2022 and 2023, illegal assymetrical braking system, illegal front bib, masters of bending flexi wings rules from the Vettel era and let's not forget the fixed Abu Dhabi 2021 which they orchestrated along with stewards that are favoring Max all the time because they have shops and interests affiliated with honda. If Max Mosley would have been the president of the FIA, Red Bull would have been disqualified at least once. And that are simple straight facts.

More the people criticize about the McLaren it's better, as if we see the history of the sport, if the team gets criticized about their performance it means they are either fast or dominant, so i take it as a compliment and i think McLaren thinks the same as they are doing the best job out there. Instead of debating the critics or other teams, McLaren should just focus on themself and go according to their plans.