2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[SealTheRealDeal]

It's crazy to think Aston went from having a car with some of the best traction characteristics in early 2023 to one of the worst in 2024 and the worst (in my opinion) in 2025.

The team's myopic obsession with drag reduction needs to be studied. They had a car that was a parachute on the straights, but was a downforce monster with good balance and excellent tire life, and they threw all those strengths out in pursuit of straight-line speed. How many engineers did Stroll poach from Williams?

There is no drag reduction obsession. They had 1 project to reduce drag of the air flow under the covers. That's it. The "downforce monster" of 2023 would just be a distant last in 2025. AM F1 have had problems increasing the stable and predictable downforce on the floor. They have been able to increase peak df in the past but only at the expense of it dropping off in certain points of different types of corners.

Hopefully they'll have a new floor at Imola, designed in the new windtunnel, that has figured out the problem.

Was drag reduction not the main aim of the Canada upgrade in 2023, and haven't the 2024 and 2025 cars been on the lower drag end of the spectrum? And in light of their long term struggles with the floor I can't recall them putting on more above-body aero as a band aid solution.

And of course an unaltered 2 year old car would be dead last today. I was merely identifying what its balance of traits were at the time.

Hopefully the new floor works. They need to get on top of that before the new regs.

[TyreSlip]

The team's myopic obsession with drag reduction needs to be studied. They had a car that was a parachute on the straights, but was a downforce monster with good balance and excellent tire life, and they threw all those strengths out in pursuit of straight-line speed. How many engineers did Stroll poach from Williams?

There is no drag reduction obsession. They had 1 project to reduce drag of the air flow under the covers. That's it. The "downforce monster" of 2023 would just be a distant last in 2025. AM F1 have had problems increasing the stable and predictable downforce on the floor. They have been able to increase peak df in the past but only at the expense of it dropping off in certain points of different types of corners.

Hopefully they'll have a new floor at Imola, designed in the new windtunnel, that has figured out the problem.

Was drag reduction not the main aim of the Canada upgrade in 2023, and haven't the 2024 and 2025 cars been on the lower drag end of the spectrum? And in light of their long term struggles with the floor I can't recall them putting on more above-body aero as a band aid solution.

And of course an unaltered 2 year old car would be dead last today. I was merely identifying what its balance of traits were at the time.

Hopefully the new floor works. They need to get on top of that before the new regs.

The Canada 2023 update brought more downforce, but it messed up the balance of the car. The car's strong braking allowed Alonso to be competitive in Canada but afterward? We all know it went downhill.

The 2024 car was designed for drag reduction, but the focus on reducing drag made the car a Frankenstein.

[diffuser]

There is no drag reduction obsession. They had 1 project to reduce drag of the air flow under the covers. That's it. The "downforce monster" of 2023 would just be a distant last in 2025. AM F1 have had problems increasing the stable and predictable downforce on the floor. They have been able to increase peak df in the past but only at the expense of it dropping off in certain points of different types of corners.

Hopefully they'll have a new floor at Imola, designed in the new windtunnel, that has figured out the problem.

Was drag reduction not the main aim of the Canada upgrade in 2023, and haven't the 2024 and 2025 cars been on the lower drag end of the spectrum? And in light of their long term struggles with the floor I can't recall them putting on more above-body aero as a band aid solution.

And of course an unaltered 2 year old car would be dead last today. I was merely identifying what its balance of traits were at the time.

Hopefully the new floor works. They need to get on top of that before the new regs.

The Canada 2023 update brought more downforce, but it messed up the balance of the car. The car's strong braking allowed Alonso to be competitive in Canada but afterward? We all know it went downhill.

The 2024 car was designed for drag reduction, but the focus on reducing drag made the car a Frankenstein.

The internal air flow of the 2024 car was designed for drag reduction. The car was fast on straights. The handing issues all stem from the floor. It got to a point last year, that they were bring multiple floors to each track to find which worked best for that track.

The 2025 floor, or atleast the diffuser entry was simplified. I believe when they said "they were gathering data", it has to do with "that" simplication of the floor. We only saw pictures from the rear, so we don't know how far forward they took the simplication.

The car isn't very fast on straights this year cause they have to run more wing than everyone else. The floor's df has very little drag by comparison.

[Rikrikrik]

18 years in Red Bull / 1 month in Aston Martin

[diffuser]

Those of you looking for blood ...

Gioacchino Vino, Chief Aerodynamicist Mercedes -> Aston Martin F1 happened earlier this year ....
As a result of this reshuffle Mark Robinson (previous chief aerodynamicist) has moved to Aston Martin Performance Engineering. Taking Fallow place there, I guess

From F1 Moving.

[SSJ4]

carlos miquel saying stuff regarding floor for imola. but can't class him as being reliable anymore, since he said that sainz was using a 2024 chassis and thats why he was behind albon
james vowles had to debunk it

[vas_04614]

https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... -explained

The new regulations remove the ‘ground-effect’ generating tunnels and return F1 cars to having flat undersides before a step into a conventional downforce-generating diffuser beneath the rear end.

After reading this, wonder if team really need to spend cycles on new floor anymore. For correlation of new tunnel, may be they will work on other parts which have some carry over to next year

[diffuser]

https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... -explained

The new regulations remove the ‘ground-effect’ generating tunnels and return F1 cars to having flat undersides before a step into a conventional downforce-generating diffuser beneath the rear end.

After reading this, wonder if team really need to spend cycles on new floor anymore. For correlation of new tunnel, may be they will work on other parts which have some carry over to next year

Maybe that's why the diffuser and diffuser entry looks the way it looks this year.

I still understood that there would be 2 upgrades pointed towards 2025 performance and then testing parts that may or may not improve performance.

[SSJ4]

important weekend. first upgrades that were tested in new wind tunnel

[NAPI10]

important weekend. first upgrades that were tested in new wind tunnel

Please keep your hopes in check
Not expecting any huge improvement since everyone is bringing upgrades. At this point, AM is racing with AM for better performance in 2026.

[zoroastar]

important weekend. first upgrades that were tested in new wind tunnel

Please keep your hopes in check
Not expecting any huge improvement since everyone is bringing upgrades. At this point, AM is racing with AM for better performance in 2026.

hope for the best, expect the worst. thats the motto that ive been following for at least a year now haha. at least until january that is.

[zoroastar]

fabrizio borra died. he was alonsos physio trainer since way back at minardi. ive seen him wearing aston green, but not sure how much he was still involved. apparently he had been fighting cancer

https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/other/ ... ngNewsSerp

[RedNEO]

fabrizio borra died. he was alonsos physio trainer since way back at minardi. ive seen him wearing aston green, but not sure how much he was still involved. apparently he had been fighting cancer

https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/other/ ... ngNewsSerp

RIP.

[RedNEO]

important weekend. first upgrades that were tested in new wind tunnel

Please keep your hopes in check
Not expecting any huge improvement since everyone is bringing upgrades. At this point, AM is racing with AM for better performance in 2026.

Not all upgrades are the same though and certainly AM should at least be able to get themselves into 5th fastest team with an upgrade.

[-wkst-]

Until March they used the Brackley tunnel and 100% of their tunnel time for 2025, could be that some planned parts were only tested there, or tested in both tunnels. I guess we will never know exactly, Team will be tight lipped.