2025 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[GoranF1]

Updates confirmed.
New foor, new upper body and small detail. Produced in old tunnel , refined in new.

[SSJ4]

By refined in new wind tunnel. What changes could they make with new tunnel vs Mercedes since the most of the process was completed in another wind tunnel

[FNTC]

Refined in new WT after "lunchtime conversations" with Newey. They better give some performance, or even Newey should start to worry about 2026 and this team's inability to develop a car after its designed.

[diffuser]

We will talk anyway, but I was not talking about a successful or unsuccessful update, just that they used 2 different tunnels in the last few months, so noone here knows how many tunnel hours (from the new tunnel) went into new parts for the AMR25 for Imola.

From a logical point of view they use nearly all time for the AMR26, as they only put it into the tunnel in March (delay compared to others) and there's nothing to win with the current car.

was this upgrade is all NWT. Mid March to Mid May is a long time.

Mid march Would just be the first race of the season. The regulations also allow to move WT time around cause of the NWT. So they might not have used any WT time on the OWT, waiting instead for the NWT.

It is not a long time as updates need to be signed off and produced. That's not a process of just some days. At least a month is realistic.

Furthermore it is not the case that they were able to save tunnel time. The rules are clear, that is only possible when the currently used tunnel has a failure, which was not the case at Brackley.

ATR1 ended at March 2nd and all tunnel time until there was used for the AMR25 in the Brackley tunnel. What AMR did afterwards with their tunnel time, for which project (in %) they spend it, is unclear. Cowell only said that they use it for both cars. Maybe it is already 90-10 in favour of the AMR26.

Listening to Newey it becomes quite clear that there are only working a few guys for the AMR25. I would not expect much...

Doesn't matter what we think, it's what will happen.

I'm just hoping for the best.


I think the single most important part of the car for speed in the current regs is the floor. I'M just really hoping for positive signs. To me that would come in a fairly significant step. Like something that would take them out of the clutches of the 5 and down group.

[diffuser]

https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... grand-prix

"We're bringing a new floor and top bodywork. With the current aerodynamic regulations, the floor is the biggest contributor to downforce and the top bodywork helps with the delivery of good quality airflow to the key areas of the floor, so the two work hand in hand. What we're expecting from the package is an improvement in aerodynamic load and an improvement in the consistency of that load on the car.

The wind tunnel was used to map the update package we've got for Imola. The package has been in the pipeline for several weeks, before the wind tunnel came online, but it's certainly been useful to have it for the final touches.

"We've tested several items in the wind tunnel so far: our launch package, our Imola update package, and our '26 models, and it's given us some good insights. And from now on, further updates will be devised and tested fully in the wind tunnel.

[-wkst-]

was this upgrade is all NWT. Mid March to Mid May is a long time.

Mid march Would just be the first race of the season. The regulations also allow to move WT time around cause of the NWT. So they might not have used any WT time on the OWT, waiting instead for the NWT.

It is not a long time as updates need to be signed off and produced. That's not a process of just some days. At least a month is realistic.

Furthermore it is not the case that they were able to save tunnel time. The rules are clear, that is only possible when the currently used tunnel has a failure, which was not the case at Brackley.

ATR1 ended at March 2nd and all tunnel time until there was used for the AMR25 in the Brackley tunnel. What AMR did afterwards with their tunnel time, for which project (in %) they spend it, is unclear. Cowell only said that they use it for both cars. Maybe it is already 90-10 in favour of the AMR26.

Listening to Newey it becomes quite clear that there are only working a few guys for the AMR25. I would not expect much...

Doesn't matter what we think, it's what will happen.

Again, you wrote that "this update is all NWT". That's not true, as Cowell confirmed on the teams website.

Further you wrote that "the regulations also allow to move WT time around cause of the NWT. So they might not have used any WT time on the OWT, waiting instead for the NWT." Which is also not true as they used the wind tunnel in Brackely for the update, as Cowell confirmed.

Don't underestimate the whole lead time of a package, months of development time. If they bring a 2nd package in some weeks/months, that will be born completely in the new tunnel. But, as Newey said, it's a peoples sport. The design of the parts are still made by humans, and if this guys don't know what they do (formulated in an exaggerated manner), the best tools are useless. It's not like the tunnel in Brackely is an obstacle.

[Waz]

It's quite an obstacle if Mercedes are using the tunnel.

Must have been interesting to compare directly the data on new parts from the 2 tunnels before any data from track running potentially muddies the water.

[Waz]

was this upgrade is all NWT. Mid March to Mid May is a long time.

Mid march Would just be the first race of the season. The regulations also allow to move WT time around cause of the NWT. So they might not have used any WT time on the OWT, waiting instead for the NWT.

It is not a long time as updates need to be signed off and produced. That's not a process of just some days. At least a month is realistic.

Furthermore it is not the case that they were able to save tunnel time. The rules are clear, that is only possible when the currently used tunnel has a failure, which was not the case at Brackley.

ATR1 ended at March 2nd and all tunnel time until there was used for the AMR25 in the Brackley tunnel. What AMR did afterwards with their tunnel time, for which project (in %) they spend it, is unclear. Cowell only said that they use it for both cars. Maybe it is already 90-10 in favour of the AMR26.

Listening to Newey it becomes quite clear that there are only working a few guys for the AMR25. I would not expect much...

Doesn't matter what we think, it's what will happen.

I'm just hoping for the best.


I think the single most important part of the car for speed in the current regs is the floor. I'M just really hoping for positive signs. To me that would come in a fairly significant step. Like something that would take them out of the clutches of the 5 and down group.

The suspension, especially rear, seems to be the real performance difference though in this regulation set.

Keeping the platform stable is more important for a wider downforce range than the amount of downforce the floor produces.

[RedNEO]

https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... grand-prix

"We're bringing a new floor and top bodywork. With the current aerodynamic regulations, the floor is the biggest contributor to downforce and the top bodywork helps with the delivery of good quality airflow to the key areas of the floor, so the two work hand in hand. What we're expecting from the package is an improvement in aerodynamic load and an improvement in the consistency of that load on the car.

The wind tunnel was used to map the update package we've got for Imola. The package has been in the pipeline for several weeks, before the wind tunnel came online, but it's certainly been useful to have it for the final touches.

"We've tested several items in the wind tunnel so far: our launch package, our Imola update package, and our '26 models, and it's given us some good insights. And from now on, further updates will be devised and tested fully in the wind tunnel.

Sounds good and definitely something they are proud of.

[-wkst-]

Must have been interesting to compare directly the data on new parts from the 2 tunnels before any data from track running potentially muddies the water.

Well, they obviously did that, from this scenario comes the following quote from Cowell (in April):

People often talk about how to tell the time when you’ve got two watches—how do you tell the aero load when development work has been done in one wind tunnel and then you swap across to the next?

They’ll never tell you exactly the same, but we are enjoying the new wind tunnel

[issey]

It is not a long time as updates need to be signed off and produced. That's not a process of just some days. At least a month is realistic.

Furthermore it is not the case that they were able to save tunnel time. The rules are clear, that is only possible when the currently used tunnel has a failure, which was not the case at Brackley.

ATR1 ended at March 2nd and all tunnel time until there was used for the AMR25 in the Brackley tunnel. What AMR did afterwards with their tunnel time, for which project (in %) they spend it, is unclear. Cowell only said that they use it for both cars. Maybe it is already 90-10 in favour of the AMR26.

Listening to Newey it becomes quite clear that there are only working a few guys for the AMR25. I would not expect much...

Doesn't matter what we think, it's what will happen.

I'm just hoping for the best.


I think the single most important part of the car for speed in the current regs is the floor. I'M just really hoping for positive signs. To me that would come in a fairly significant step. Like something that would take them out of the clutches of the 5 and down group.

The suspension, especially rear, seems to be the real performance difference though in this regulation set.

Keeping the platform stable is more important for a wider downforce range than the amount of downforce the floor produces.

Definitely not, the floor is producing the most downforce in this regulation. The suspension and brake ducts are only the real game changer if you’re already at your limit aerodynamic wise . Like McLaren etc.

[SSJ4]

Lance running the upgrade package first. So delta between him and Fernando will be interesting

The development of the new package was not done in the new windtunnel, it has been used to map the upgrade, which means assessing how different set-up changes would impact its aerodynamic performance to optimise how to run it on the car

"Maybe this update could have come a little bit sooner, but then it wouldn't have been in our new tunnel at all," Cowell said.

"But we were keen to make sure that the final mapping exercise was done in our tunnel, so that what we've got here is a good set of data.


https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/asto ... ade-chaos/

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

Lance running the upgrade package first. So delta between him and Fernando will be interesting

The development of the new package was not done in the new windtunnel, it has been used to map the upgrade, which means assessing how different set-up changes would impact its aerodynamic performance to optimise how to run it on the car

"Maybe this update could have come a little bit sooner, but then it wouldn't have been in our new tunnel at all," Cowell said.

"But we were keen to make sure that the final mapping exercise was done in our tunnel, so that what we've got here is a good set of data.


https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/asto ... ade-chaos/

Just like "Diffuser" said from his sources

[diffuser]

Lance running the upgrade package first. So delta between him and Fernando will be interesting

The development of the new package was not done in the new windtunnel, it has been used to map the upgrade, which means assessing how different set-up changes would impact its aerodynamic performance to optimise how to run it on the car

"Maybe this update could have come a little bit sooner, but then it wouldn't have been in our new tunnel at all," Cowell said.

"But we were keen to make sure that the final mapping exercise was done in our tunnel, so that what we've got here is a good set of data.


https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/asto ... ade-chaos/

Just like "Diffuser" said from his sources

[FNTC]

Adam Cooper
@adamcooperF1
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on AMR25 updates: "I think every time you bring an upgrade to the car, there is always optimism in the team. But at the same time we have enough lessons learned already of upgrades in the past two years that maybe didn't deliver what exactly they were supposed to."