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Barcelona will be the true test. If the car goes well there. Rest of the season should be a lot better than before

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SSJ4 wrote:
20 May 2025, 14:55
Barcelona will be the true test. If the car goes well there. Rest of the season should be a lot better than before
I am hoping that teams like McLaren and Mercedes, with cars that have extreme flexing, will come back to Earth under the stricter flexing parameters.

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TyreSlip wrote:
20 May 2025, 15:06
SSJ4 wrote:
20 May 2025, 14:55
Barcelona will be the true test. If the car goes well there. Rest of the season should be a lot better than before
I am hoping that teams like McLaren and Mercedes, with cars that have extreme flexing, will come back to Earth under the stricter flexing parameters.
mercedes changed their wings at imola. i think thats why they performed a lot worse than usual. another technical directive is coming on at canada as well. so lets hope newey has had more of his lunchtime talks

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Waz wrote:
20 May 2025, 14:06
-wkst- wrote:
20 May 2025, 09:07
Schmidt in the AMuS video blog:

He believes that they made a little step, but not a breakthrough. Rear deg is still a problem. He doubts that they would have made the 1-stopper work (without the VSC), because their lap times were too slow even before the VSC. But he also (speculates) that they could make another step with the Barcelona parts to regain 5th. Engineers claim (once again) that they now understand the car, let's see...
They went from nearly last to top 10 on merit with both cars in Q.

Some better race execution could have had both cars in the points easily. That's a breakthrough.

The 14 points Stroll has came with a big helping of penalties for drivers ahead of him in those races.
They were not able to drive the Ferrari times from Q2 on the C6 in the whole qualifying. So they were not in the top10 on merit, they were in the top10 because of the "medium-tyre-trick". Let's not rewrite history.

For sure points were on the table with a better race execution. But others could say the same. After all they had the 6th fastest car in the race. On a track that suited the car better than other tracks. The midfield is tight.

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SSJ4 wrote:
20 May 2025, 13:07
OnEcRiTiCaL wrote:
20 May 2025, 12:34
SSJ4 wrote:
20 May 2025, 12:16
After Barcelona, ​​Aston Martin will bring to the track everything that improves the car and can be used in the AMR26

For example, THE FRONT SUSPENSION

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How much do current regs overlap with new regs?
Source?
This week in Monaco they will carry aerodynamic upgrades specific to a high-load track and next week in Barcelona they will also have a new front wing to meet the FIA's new flexibility requirements. They remain focused on 2026, but anything that improves AMR25 that can be applied to AMR26 (such as front suspension work) will be subject to evolution: "When it takes away aerodynamic resources for the 2026 car, we'll start to question it. But as long as they are technologies that are applicable to next year's car, we will be determined to go for everything. In this industry, you can never be good enough.

https://as.com/motor/formula_1/aston-ma ... peranza-n/
This would not be anything you see as the 2026 car is narrower and shorter. I would suspect this to be anything that you'd find in the nose, which is where the front suspension really is ..... Rocker springs and Dampener.

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-wkst- wrote:
20 May 2025, 16:11
Waz wrote:
20 May 2025, 14:06
-wkst- wrote:
20 May 2025, 09:07
Schmidt in the AMuS video blog:

He believes that they made a little step, but not a breakthrough. Rear deg is still a problem. He doubts that they would have made the 1-stopper work (without the VSC), because their lap times were too slow even before the VSC. But he also (speculates) that they could make another step with the Barcelona parts to regain 5th. Engineers claim (once again) that they now understand the car, let's see...
They went from nearly last to top 10 on merit with both cars in Q.

Some better race execution could have had both cars in the points easily. That's a breakthrough.

The 14 points Stroll has came with a big helping of penalties for drivers ahead of him in those races.
They were not able to drive the Ferrari times from Q2 on the C6 in the whole qualifying. So they were not in the top10 on merit, they were in the top10 because of the "medium-tyre-trick". Let's not rewrite history.

For sure points were on the table with a better race execution. But others could say the same. After all they had the 6th fastest car in the race. On a track that suited the car better than other tracks. The midfield is tight.
What? What ‚trick’? They went out, set a time and that time put them on p8 and p5. I’d call that merit?!

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MichaelxScarn wrote:
20 May 2025, 17:34
-wkst- wrote:
20 May 2025, 16:11
Waz wrote:
20 May 2025, 14:06


They went from nearly last to top 10 on merit with both cars in Q.

Some better race execution could have had both cars in the points easily. That's a breakthrough.

The 14 points Stroll has came with a big helping of penalties for drivers ahead of him in those races.
They were not able to drive the Ferrari times from Q2 on the C6 in the whole qualifying. So they were not in the top10 on merit, they were in the top10 because of the "medium-tyre-trick". Let's not rewrite history.

For sure points were on the table with a better race execution. But others could say the same. After all they had the 6th fastest car in the race. On a track that suited the car better than other tracks. The midfield is tight.
What? What ‚trick’? They went out, set a time and that time put them on p8 and p5. I’d call that merit?!
The medium was a better qualifying tyre than the soft. That's what Aston Martin used to get into the top 10.

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TyreSlip wrote:
20 May 2025, 18:04
MichaelxScarn wrote:
20 May 2025, 17:34
-wkst- wrote:
20 May 2025, 16:11


They were not able to drive the Ferrari times from Q2 on the C6 in the whole qualifying. So they were not in the top10 on merit, they were in the top10 because of the "medium-tyre-trick". Let's not rewrite history.

For sure points were on the table with a better race execution. But others could say the same. After all they had the 6th fastest car in the race. On a track that suited the car better than other tracks. The midfield is tight.
What? What ‚trick’? They went out, set a time and that time put them on p8 and p5. I’d call that merit?!
The medium was a better qualifying tyre than the soft. That's what Aston Martin used to get into the top 10.
It wasn't a trick, but a strategic shift – though perhaps "strategy" isn't quite the right word.
What really happened is they introduced a significant update, which led to continuous learning and adjustments. This process exhausted their supply of soft tires, forcing them to switch to mediums. This change proved successful, but the underlying reason remains unclear. Many assume the mediums were inherently superior given AM F1's performance, but it's possible this situation mirrors 2023, when McLaren struggled making use of their downforce until Pirelli introduced harder compounds.

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Aston sacrificed the race by using the C5 in qualy and it bit them in the race. They claim they went for a one stop, but I don't understand why they then pitted that early. Strategy was bad and the VSC and SC also came at bad times.
Newey is supposed to be at Monaco so I hope he can help with setup, so let's see, but Barcelona with less flexiwings might be better for us too.

Merc might have gotten hit in Imola by that TD clamping down on plank shenanigans. They were scraping the floor a lot in the previous races.

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FNTC wrote:
20 May 2025, 21:30
Aston sacrificed the race by using the C5 in qualy and it bit them in the race. They claim they went for a one stop, but I don't understand why they then pitted that early. Strategy was bad and the VSC and SC also came at bad times.
Newey is supposed to be at Monaco so I hope he can help with setup, so let's see, but Barcelona with less flexiwings might be better for us too.

Merc might have gotten hit in Imola by that TD clamping down on plank shenanigans.
I don’t think that’s accurate. The real misstep—if you want to call it that—was using a set of hard tires during FP3. Had they saved that set, they could’ve switched to it under the VSC. Regardless of how fresh the mediums were, they weren’t going to last 40 laps to the end of the race. And you can’t blame the qualifying laps on the mediums used at the start of the race either, since they were still able to keep pace with Russell and Sainz. Which brings us right back to the root of the issue: they had a new package and needed to collect data during free practice. Which ended up leaving them compromised.
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Also don't forget that Alonso only had one practice session with the new package, so there might be more to unlock there.

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FNTC wrote:
20 May 2025, 21:43
Also don't forget that Alonso only had one practice session with the new package, so there might be more to unlock there.
I tried to look for proof of that but F1 today is so image short it isn't funny.

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The team opted to run Lance's car with the updates fitted and Fernando's without, allowing for cross-car evaluation and comparison of performance between the new and old specs.

The team analysed the data from the two cars to decide which new parts to fit on both for Saturday's running.
and
Saturday

Both cars ran our new update package after evaluation overnight following Lance using the new spec during Friday's Free Practice sessions.
https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... grand-prix

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Andy Cowell on Imola upgrades:
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/why-f1 ... 03766.html
“The positive is we've brought an update that's made the car quicker and, up to the point that a random VSC [virtual safety car] comes out, everything was going OK,” Cowell said.

“So, I think in the moment everybody's despondent, but I think by tomorrow everybody will be like ‘right come on let's do more of that, let's look at all the areas of the car and how do we push more’.”

That feeling was echoed by Alonso after the race, as he said the team “finally” had a “strong car that can score points on merit”.

“What we've done is bring an update that is good at low-, medium- and high-speed and so that is a positive step forward.

“Exactly how much quicker is it? I'm not going to declare. I'll tell you in Abu Dhabi [the season finale].”

And the team clearly has faith in the new parts. It elected to run Friday’s practice session at Imola with one driver using the old spec AMR25 and the other using the upgraded model. This gave Aston data to directly compare the two on the same track and in the same conditions, which Cowell says shows that on “every single corner the package was better”.

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FNTC wrote:
20 May 2025, 21:52
The team opted to run Lance's car with the updates fitted and Fernando's without, allowing for cross-car evaluation and comparison of performance between the new and old specs.

The team analysed the data from the two cars to decide which new parts to fit on both for Saturday's running.
and
Saturday

Both cars ran our new update package after evaluation overnight following Lance using the new spec during Friday's Free Practice sessions.
https://www.astonmartinf1.com/en-GB/new ... grand-prix
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