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its pretty bizarre that they cant think a little bit out the box when it comes to strategy. i mean, what were the chances that there would be no safety cars or vsc's at imola. they spend all their time reacting to everyone else instead of taking an educated chance. or at least run seperate strategies. i know they were limited on tires but theyve been doing it all season, and its got them nowhere.

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zoroastar wrote:
21 May 2025, 03:00
its pretty bizarre that they cant think a little bit out the box when it comes to strategy. i mean, what were the chances that there would be no safety cars or vsc's at imola. they spend all their time reacting to everyone else instead of taking an educated chance. or at least run seperate strategies. i know they were limited on tires but theyve been doing it all season, and its got them nowhere.
I remember reading in the strategy guide that there was a 75% chance of a yellow flag, and a 25% chance of a VSC/SC.

They were surprised by how quick sainz was able to pass Alonso on fresh tires.

I'd be interested in hearing their thinking on that.

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diffuser wrote:
20 May 2025, 21:41
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20 May 2025, 21:30
Aston sacrificed the race by using the C5 in qualy and it bit them in the race. They claim they went for a one stop, but I don't understand why they then pitted that early. Strategy was bad and the VSC and SC also came at bad times.
Newey is supposed to be at Monaco so I hope he can help with setup, so let's see, but Barcelona with less flexiwings might be better for us too.

Merc might have gotten hit in Imola by that TD clamping down on plank shenanigans.
I don’t think that’s accurate. The real misstep—if you want to call it that—was using a set of hard tires during FP3. Had they saved that set, they could’ve switched to it under the VSC. Regardless of how fresh the mediums were, they weren’t going to last 40 laps to the end of the race. And you can’t blame the qualifying laps on the mediums used at the start of the race either, since they were still able to keep pace with Russell and Sainz. Which brings us right back to the root of the issue: they had a new package and needed to collect data during free practice. Which ended up leaving them compromised.
That’s absolutely not true that the new package and the data collection had anything to do with the tyre situation. ALO said afterwards that they planned to use mediums in Q since Thursday, because they believed from the beginning that they are faster. Which they were, 2-3 tenths faster over a Q lap, what other drivers and sources said. Cowell said they already saw in the Abu Dhabi tyre test that the C6 won’t last at such tracks like Imola.

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diffuser wrote:
21 May 2025, 05:33
zoroastar wrote:
21 May 2025, 03:00
its pretty bizarre that they cant think a little bit out the box when it comes to strategy. i mean, what were the chances that there would be no safety cars or vsc's at imola. they spend all their time reacting to everyone else instead of taking an educated chance. or at least run seperate strategies. i know they were limited on tires but theyve been doing it all season, and its got them nowhere.
I remember reading in the strategy guide that there was a 75% chance of a yellow flag, and a 25% chance of a VSC/SC.

They were surprised by how quick sainz was able to pass Alonso on fresh tires.

I'd be interested in hearing their thinking on that.
I dont think stopping was such a bad move considering how much pace Leclerc was showing. It seemed like the obvious choice. But once they got undercut it was obvious that they are still a step behind WiIlliams and Ferrari. Based on the data, it seemed like the right choice as a fan. Maybe experts should know better. Williams and Mclaren are usually solid on the pit strategy and they also fell for it so I think this one is understandable.

Alonso was really slow in the 3 laps before pitting. He went from lapping in mid 1:21s to 1:26 on the lap before pitting. Leclerc was 6 seconds faster than him on that lap.

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-wkst- wrote:
21 May 2025, 06:06
diffuser wrote:
20 May 2025, 21:41
FNTC wrote:
20 May 2025, 21:30
Aston sacrificed the race by using the C5 in qualy and it bit them in the race. They claim they went for a one stop, but I don't understand why they then pitted that early. Strategy was bad and the VSC and SC also came at bad times.
Newey is supposed to be at Monaco so I hope he can help with setup, so let's see, but Barcelona with less flexiwings might be better for us too.

Merc might have gotten hit in Imola by that TD clamping down on plank shenanigans.
I don’t think that’s accurate. The real misstep—if you want to call it that—was using a set of hard tires during FP3. Had they saved that set, they could’ve switched to it under the VSC. Regardless of how fresh the mediums were, they weren’t going to last 40 laps to the end of the race. And you can’t blame the qualifying laps on the mediums used at the start of the race either, since they were still able to keep pace with Russell and Sainz. Which brings us right back to the root of the issue: they had a new package and needed to collect data during free practice. Which ended up leaving them compromised.
That’s absolutely not true that the new package and the data collection had anything to do with the tyre situation. ALO said afterwards that they planned to use mediums in Q since Thursday, because they believed from the beginning that they are faster. Which they were, 2-3 tenths faster over a Q lap, what other drivers and sources said. Cowell said they already saw in the Abu Dhabi tyre test that the C6 won’t last at such tracks like Imola.

There is this new trend for AM F1 to go out really early that I don't understand. Prior to this trend, Alonso would wait till after the first set of runners went out to put in his first lap.The track isn't rubbered in, it's gonna get faster. Why are we wasting a set if softs? I kind blew that off previously, because their pace sucked so much. If they have pace I'm not sure why they'd do that.

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Wish it was barcelona Grand Prix this week. So we can see the cars true performance relative to others after the flexi wing stuff .

Has our wing been flexing a lot compared to competitors? There was a front wing cam on alonsos car during the Imola if anyone wanted to see

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SSJ4 wrote:
21 May 2025, 14:47
Wish it was barcelona Grand Prix this week. So we can see the cars true performance relative to others after the flexi wing stuff .

Has our wing been flexing a lot compared to competitors? There was a front wing cam on alonsos car during the Imola if anyone wanted to see
I don't know about Imola, but the AM front wing was flexing at the beginning of the season. It was just nowhere near to the extent of the McLaren or Mercedes.

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Who knows where will be broadcasted the charity f1 football match in Monaco?