2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Like it or not, and despite what press says, the majority of performance comes from the car being good. At some tracks it’s also about driver confidence or lack of fear. Give Lewis the right car and he can go back to winning like in China.

The driver pairing, or what they do in their free time, isn’t the problem at Ferrari.

One of the hardest facts of life to face, is that bread isn’t gonna raise faster by working it, you just have to leave it there and do nothing for a while.

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Aren’t the new wings supposed to narrow the set up window of the cars even further?

The SF25 already has a an extremely narrow operating window

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deadhead wrote:
27 May 2025, 13:48
Aren’t the new wings supposed to narrow the set up window of the cars even further?

The SF25 already has a an extremely narrow operating window
I'd offer a redefined view of this quality.

It APPEARED to have a wide "window" of operation here in Monaco, at which a chassis malleability pays huge dividend in driver confidence. Looks to have good aero overall but with a design that favours generally a "softer" suspension philosophy overall.

This front image (not the yt content) captures something interesting



With the proviso that the left rear contact is not visible (it doesn't look high though) the lifted front left tyre, contact on front right, rear has yet to strike the rising curb too .... look just how much the rear floor edge has almost touched the track surface ! There's quite some acceptance of chassis load in this image. This is largely what "mechanical" grip is, allowing the tyre structure to work WITHOUT spiking it into a "reverberation" characteristic to extract high levels of repeatability for the driver to apply throughout each lap.

It's issue maybe how it can ultimately live either other platform at very high speed and transient load as perhaps the RB does. The contrast here between these two illustration of the very different setup window these diverse concept impose on the drivers.

The question for both is how to "aggregate" out their concept to best effect over a season of track diversity.

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deadhead wrote:
27 May 2025, 13:48
Aren’t the new wings supposed to narrow the set up window of the cars even further?

The SF25 already has a an extremely narrow operating window
Seems like Ferrari invested the least when it comes to flexi front wings, was watching their wing in Imola over the bumps and imo it looked like the most stiff of the top 4, thing barely moved, with Mclaren flexing the most. From AMuS


https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... gel-regel/
"The McLarens are generally better balanced than their competitors. The competition attributes this to the front wing, which bends in such a way that the aero balance shifts from front to rear with increasing load. If stiffer front wings are now mandatory in Barcelona, McLaren should lose the most, the competitors hope.
McLaren dismisses the dreamers: 'We're not afraid of the new load tests. Nothing will change for us,' promises Stella. His colleague Vasseur, on the other hand, believes: 'The new rule could be a game changer.' Vasseur calculates it this way: Ferrari was the most conservative in developing these flexible wings. So they also have the least to lose. Toto Wolff doesn't want to dismiss Vasseur's theory. 'Maybe the Ferrari actually loses less than the other cars.'"

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
26 May 2025, 21:42
I haven't heard any reports of Hamilton not spending as much time in the sim as Leclerc. If that was happening I'm sure the media would be all over it, so the fact we aren't hearing about it means it probably isn't happening. :lol:
Very good point. lol

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Luscion wrote:
27 May 2025, 14:29
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... gel-regel/
"The McLarens are generally better balanced than their competitors. The competition attributes this to the front wing, which bends in such a way that the aero balance shifts from front to rear with increasing load. If stiffer front wings are now mandatory in Barcelona, McLaren should lose the most, the competitors hope.
McLaren dismisses the dreamers: 'We're not afraid of the new load tests. Nothing will change for us,' promises Stella. His colleague Vasseur, on the other hand, believes: 'The new rule could be a game changer.' Vasseur calculates it this way: Ferrari was the most conservative in developing these flexible wings. So they also have the least to lose. Toto Wolff doesn't want to dismiss Vasseur's theory. 'Maybe the Ferrari actually loses less than the other cars.'"
I agree with Vasseur that McLaren has most to lose, but I disagree on him that Ferrari has the least to lose. That would be RedBull.
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I have seen a few reports of ferrari informally approaching Christian Horner for the TP position. Anyone else see that?

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Jdn1327 wrote:
27 May 2025, 18:02
I have seen a few reports of ferrari informally approaching Christian Horner for the TP position. Anyone else see that?
Would you like to show these 'reports'?

That sounds like one of the dumbest things Ferrari could possibly do, though. And might even put me off supporting the team.

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Jdn1327 wrote:
27 May 2025, 18:02
I have seen a few reports of ferrari informally approaching Christian Horner for the TP position. Anyone else see that?
I haven't seen a single report of this from a reputable source. In their last stream AR said there's no movement to kick Vasseur out of Ferrari and I'd trust them the most. So unless it's a very very recent development, seems more like paddock gossip than anything.

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hope Elkan is smarter. one user mentioned here few pages back how this team is always trying to chase wins to satisfy fans, and expectation so can't really build step by step something to that effect
I tend to agree with that..

look at McLaren, when they were at building stage ie like in 2023 there was no expectation from media hardly no one gave them attention, The attention that Ferrari receives, even after positive weekend like last, the media is obsessed with Lewis and Adami radio.. Imagine if Ferrari did similar to Lando/mclaren in zandvoort 2023 when it rained havily and Lando was told on radio he was faster on slicks in that rain by that race engineer, the media pretty much din't pay attention to that, if it was Ferrari they would have been crucified, heck social media paid more attention to the fact that when Charles pitted they were not ready but then he overtook russell and lando who were still on slicks but social media paid more attention to ferrari not being ready in pits than those on slicks being told by race engineer that they were somehow faster go figure.

so yea if top brass only care about their image and what press talks about them then forget it, I don't think they will win for another 10 years. they need to forget about media and there image and focus on building up like McLaren step by step, if that's the case I think next best chance would be 2027 since next year is unpredictable

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Xyz22 wrote:
26 May 2025, 00:27
LM10 wrote:
25 May 2025, 22:30
Xyz22 wrote:
24 May 2025, 18:15
As i told you we needed a disasterclass by McL which didn't happen.
Ferrari didn’t need a disaster from McLaren. Both cars were on par here.
You would have never expected Ferrari to fight for pole in Monaco. You’re still trying to make you look like the wise person. Or let me say it in your exaggerating style - “the wisest person in the history of this forum”.
I have been wrong many times.
Not this one though :D The cars were absolutely not at the same level, unless you don't have any clue of what you are talking about :D

Actually looking at the laps Norris made a significant mistake in turn 15-16, but even that wasn't enough to get pole. I reckon Leclerc could have lapped 0.2s quicker than Norris with the McL, maybe even 0.3s.
Piastri also didn't have a good final lap in Q3. His optimal best time would have been 0.132s quicker.
Leclerc could have gone faster too. He had traffic in his previous lap he said. In Monaco you gain confidence lap by lap and on no other track that’s a more important factor in order to prepare for your next and fastest lap.

It’s not hard to accept that the SF-25 was a very good car around Monaco. Try it.

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Fakepivot wrote:
27 May 2025, 19:14
hope Elkan is smarter. one user mentioned here few pages back how this team is always trying to chase wins to satisfy fans, and expectation so can't really build step by step something to that effect
I tend to agree with that..

look at McLaren, when they were at building stage ie like in 2023 there was no expectation from media hardly no one gave them attention, The attention that Ferrari receives, even after positive weekend like last, the media is obsessed with Lewis and Adami radio.. Imagine if Ferrari did similar to Lando/mclaren in zandvoort 2023 when it rained havily and Lando was told on radio he was faster on slicks in that rain by that race engineer, the media pretty much din't pay attention to that, if it was Ferrari they would have been crucified, heck social media paid more attention to the fact that when Charles pitted they were not ready but then he overtook russell and lando who were still on slicks but social media paid more attention to ferrari not being ready in pits than those on slicks being told by race engineer that they were somehow faster go figure.

so yea if top brass only care about their image and what press talks about them then forget it, I don't think they will win for another 10 years. they need to forget about media and there image and focus on building up like McLaren step by step, if that's the case I think next best chance would be 2027 since next year is unpredictable
Elkan?? LOL. No. Look him up.

The shift to marketing happened on October 13, 2014 when Montezemolo left. His exit was driven by multiple factors, primarily a clash with Fiat Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne, who wanted to use the brand and alter the ethos of Ferrari F1. Montezemolo wanted a racing team, Marchionne wanted a merch franchise. You now understand the implications of that moment in time for Ferrari.

Merc came out with a power unit 5 years ahead of everyone else in 2014, and finished off Montezemolo. In his final statements Luca claimed: “Ferrari will have an important role to play within the FCA Group in the upcoming flotation on Wall Street. This will open up a new and different phase which I feel should be spearheaded by the CEO of the Group.”

AI says:
“While the official narrative points to strategic disagreements and Formula 1 performance as key drivers of Montezemolo’s exit, it’s worth noting the personal and political dynamics at play. Montezemolo’s aristocratic background and close ties to the Agnelli family gave him significant influence, but Marchionne’s rise within FCA reflected a shift toward a more global, profit-driven approach.

The timing of the FCA stock listing suggests Montezemolo’s departure was partly orchestrated to align Ferrari with Marchionne’s vision, potentially at the cost of its racing heritage. The lack of transparency around the severance package and the exact terms of his exit fuels speculation about internal power struggles. Additionally, Montezemolo’s later comments about Ferrari’s “lack of soul” and leadership issues post-2014 indicate ongoing tensions about the company’s direction.

In summary, Montezemolo’s departure from Ferrari was a pivotal moment driven by a clash with Marchionne over strategy, compounded by the Formula 1 team’s poor performance and the impending FCA stock listing. It marked the end of an era for Ferrari, with lasting implications for its brand identity and racing legacy.

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Very interesting I had no idea about the internal power struggle at the time.

If anything Elkan seems to care about the racing aspect so might be a net positive
Jdn1327 wrote:
27 May 2025, 18:02
I have seen a few reports of ferrari informally approaching Christian Horner for the TP position. Anyone else see that?
Probably BS but if they can get him they 100% should try to do that

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Seanspeed wrote:
27 May 2025, 18:05
Jdn1327 wrote:
27 May 2025, 18:02
I have seen a few reports of ferrari informally approaching Christian Horner for the TP position. Anyone else see that?
Would you like to show these 'reports'?

That sounds like one of the dumbest things Ferrari could possibly do, though. And might even put me off supporting the team.
Show us a more successful Team Principal (who didn't inherit a team already set up for success).

He might rub some people the wrong way, but he clearly knows how to run a winning team.

... However ... I don't think it would work unless there is a work culture change at Ferrari. Too many people talking about the middle managers being the problem for various reasons. Same thing happened at Renault /Alpine / Enstone.

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Waz wrote:
27 May 2025, 22:11
Seanspeed wrote:
27 May 2025, 18:05
Jdn1327 wrote:
27 May 2025, 18:02
I have seen a few reports of ferrari informally approaching Christian Horner for the TP position. Anyone else see that?
Would you like to show these 'reports'?

That sounds like one of the dumbest things Ferrari could possibly do, though. And might even put me off supporting the team.
Show us a more successful Team Principal (who didn't inherit a team already set up for success).

He might rub some people the wrong way, but he clearly knows how to run a winning team.

... However ... I don't think it would work unless there is a work culture change at Ferrari. Too many people talking about the middle managers being the problem for various reasons. Same thing happened at Renault /Alpine / Enstone.
Not trying to take anything from Horner here, but a big reason why Horner was successful with RedBull is Dietrich Mateschitz. He wasn't just a financial backer for the racing team. He was actively involved shaping that team into what he envisioned after buying Jaguar in 2004.

Without Mateschitz, there is no way Newey was going to join RedBull either and you have to wonder how many of those 4 titles in 2010-2013 would RedBull have won without him ...

I firmly believe Horner would not do well outside of RedBull, because there is a certain environment that has been created there which has allowed Horner to thrive. Ferrari should focus elsewhere.
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