2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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Last season was all about armchair aerodynamicists. This season, we have armchair aero, kinematics, race engineering, and driving. A whole lotta speculation going on not even remotely metaphysically grounded.

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leblanc wrote:
30 May 2025, 02:17
Last season was all about armchair aerodynamicists. This season, we have armchair aero, kinematics, race engineering, and driving. A whole lotta speculation going on not even remotely metaphysically grounded.
Yep.
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What do we guess ahead or behind RBR and Mercedes? Maybe we sacrifice the last sector to have a better balance through s1 and s2 or is it better to enjoy better s1 and s3?

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CRazyLemon wrote:
30 May 2025, 07:43
What do we guess ahead or behind RBR and Mercedes? Maybe we sacrifice the last sector to have a better balance through s1 and s2 or is it better to enjoy better s1 and s3?
I think this track is very RBR favorable.
Mercedes, i'm not sure... they struggled at Imola with their new FW.
Their old FW was visibly the weaker of the bunch.

Hopefully the new FW checks makes Ferrari slightly more competitive.

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For the next three races (until Silverstone suspension), we will be competing for Podiums and might even steal a highly unlikely win (SC, top 3 crash, etc.).

According to the reports, Merc was exploiting the flexible FW the most, and Ferrari the least. I know the real impact will be on race pace, but if Merc lose even 1 tenth in qualifying and Ferrari go from being the 4th force in qualifying to 3rd, it opens up P4-P5. Our race pace has been strong all year, and Charles or Lewis could replace George as the regular P3/P2 if one of the top 3 (Norris, Max, Piastri) struggles. It might be hope.

The only concern for Spain is that Brundle was talking on the F1 TV preview and mentioned he thinks Ferrari will lack the DF needed for Spain (Ride Height-running too soft). He is typically one of the only analysts who makes sense, and coupled with Charles' pessimistic comments, Spain might not be suited to us. FP2 will tell us where we are, the FW TD might have no impact, but until the end of the weekend, it is fun to have hope.

I was interested, so I did ave quali positions thus far for FER and Merc, last row is excluding Max and Min values from average.
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If Ferrari exploited the flexi FW the least, why did it make a new wing for Spain?

Just a coincidence? Maybe or maybe not.

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FittingMechanics wrote:
30 May 2025, 11:56
If Ferrari exploited the flexi FW the least, why did it make a new wing for Spain?

Just a coincidence? Maybe or maybe not.
they used their austin 2024 wing so far
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Space-heat wrote:
30 May 2025, 11:22
I was interested, so I did ave quali positions thus far for FER and Merc, last row is excluding Max and Min values from average.
https://i.imgur.com/2rubB7L.png
I'm not suggesting Mercedes will not be affected more/less than Ferrari, but the Monaco data will be massively skewed because Antonelli crashed in Q1 unable to set a time in Q2, and Russell lost power in Q2 unable to set a lap time.
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Quantum wrote:
30 May 2025, 12:46
Space-heat wrote:
30 May 2025, 11:22
I was interested, so I did ave quali positions thus far for FER and Merc, last row is excluding Max and Min values from average.
https://i.imgur.com/2rubB7L.png
I'm not suggesting Mercedes will not be affected more/less than Ferrari, but the Monaco data will be massively skewed because Antonelli crashed in Q1 unable to set a time in Q2, and Russell lost power in Q2 unable to set a lap time.
I think Monaco is a complete outlier. I wouldn't draw any conclusions.

If you are referring to the table, it was more to see how close Charles and George were in Q across the season. Happy to be corrected, but I feel like Merc has been better Q than Race. If Charles can start qualifying as the car after Max and McLs then he won't "lose" time fighting with George. Potentially allowing him to pick up the podiums that George has got in the first 8 races.

I think it has only happened in China and Bahrain, but Merc's traction in those races made it too difficult for Charles to overtake George despite having potentially much better race pace.

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Fuel levels and engine unknown but Charles race pace looked really really good.

MCL must have been running completely different.

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Did Norris really have the changed wing? How come Piastri suddenly is a lot slower than him in qualifying pace?

Race pace looked similar for them. 20.xx

Ferrari lot better than McLaren in race pace (higher 19s). Only Max better but in lesser laps.

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evered7 wrote:
30 May 2025, 14:34
Did Norris really have the changed wing? How come Piastri suddenly is a lot slower than him in qualifying pace?

Race pace looked similar for them. 20.xx

Ferrari lot better than McLaren in race pace (higher 19s). Only Max better but in lesser laps.
Yeah, Race Pace was great. However, the Engine and Fuel are unknown.

Charles was saying, "looks good, no?, first time I heard that since FP2 Imola last year when the shark mouth intake debuted and the "6 tenth" gain. Trying to maintain hope levels as early days.

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evered7 wrote:
30 May 2025, 14:34
Did Norris really have the changed wing? How come Piastri suddenly is a lot slower than him in qualifying pace?

Race pace looked similar for them. 20.xx

Ferrari lot better than McLaren in race pace (higher 19s). Only Max better but in lesser laps.
Piastri doesn’t give anything on Friday’s. He looks at the data & does improve a lot on Saturday FP3 & Quali.

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mclaren sandbagging as always, why can't they be real smh, car looked alright in racepace but it does feel like we are back to being 4th in qualy, merc din't do soft run so we don't know but i feel like they might be better than us in qualy at list.

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Nani_s23 wrote:
30 May 2025, 14:44
evered7 wrote:
30 May 2025, 14:34
Did Norris really have the changed wing? How come Piastri suddenly is a lot slower than him in qualifying pace?

Race pace looked similar for them. 20.xx

Ferrari lot better than McLaren in race pace (higher 19s). Only Max better but in lesser laps.
Piastri doesn’t give anything on Friday’s. He looks at the data & does improve a lot on Saturday FP3 & Quali.
Not really. Piastri topped practice sessions before and is in general second or third. Not this way down.

Something is off today.