2025 Spanish Grand Prix - Barcelona-Catalunya May 30 - June 1

[ENGINE TUNER]

Next Vettel RB is cooking. I would say, it is RB failure . They did it with Vettel and now Max. It is a reminder of Vettel vs Ham. Not good for sport.

It's worse. Vettels hit into Lewis was purely frustration. It was not to cripple Lewis' car. He could not have put him out of the race by hitting into a crash structure.
Max's intent was to damage a floor or radiator. Which really should be a black flag and more than 3 penalty points.
The FIA actually made sure he got points; which sends the wrong message.
So much so he earned driver of the day.

Vettel rammed into Hamilton, wheel to wheel, right before a restart where they would be blasting up to over 200mph, going thru 2 very high speed corners lined with concrete, and then slamming on the brakes. Please don't understate it, vettel's move, and verstappen's move today were both terrible and both should have been dq'd.

[dialtone]

If Verstappen was ahead at the apex, why was he behind Russell until after the impact? Russell's onboard is extremely clear.

And it’s besides the point anyway, if the game he was trying to play was to let Russell by just before the corner to try and retake position right after… that’s noob territory from a driver like Max, unacceptable for one of the greats.

[Seanspeed]

Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional

"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.

Verstappen backed out with undeniable intention of letting Russell through. This was not a racing situation where two guys were competing for the corner legitimately. The part of the rulebook you're referencing is not at all relevant.

[ENGINE TUNER]

The FIA decided in 2021 punting your championship opponent out of the race is only a 10 second penalty, and this was fairly tame compared to that.

Even worse, earlier the same year they decided punting your opponent into the barrier at high enough speed they lose consciousness on impact was only worth a 0 second penalty. Gasp.

That's what I was referring to (lewis got a 10 second penalty when he should've been black flagged + suspended for a race), I think we're on the same team here.

Tge same team of nonsense, Hamilton turned away from verstappen, verstappen turned towards and into Hamilton, Silverstone 21 was 100% verstappen's fault. The stewards were wrong then just as they are wrong now to not disqualify verstappen.

[purestpurist]

Max rammed into a competitor through anger and retaliation and was penalised but should have been black flagged. You can’t do that it is dangerous and also sets a bad precedent where younger and all drivers can just ram other drivers and think they will only get a 10 second penalty things can end up bad where someone gets seriously injured or killed. If you can’t see Max did no wrong here you seriously need to either open your eyes or get them tested!

Max was ahead at the apex just like George was ahead at the apex three laps prior. Per the Stewards Guide the corner was his and George should have given space. George did not give space and yet you call this ramming (bumping tire carcasses together in glancing blow by the outside car not giving space to the inside car ahead at the apex, per '25 Stewards Guide). The stewards failed to uphold their own rules in not punishing George for the lap 64 contact involving a corner which was not his, with him being behind at the apex.

Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional

Yeah but the 2021 incident I mentioned was obviously the same, but you create elaborate justifications for why the driver with a decade long history of pit maneuvering drivers out of his way when he's frustrated didn't do it again. I'm not going to defend max today but it's not fair to enforce a double standard against him.

The "brake check" you brought up is also bs, he had to give the position back and hamilton rammed into him to try to get him penalized

[ToffeeTyres]

Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional

"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.

Max wasn’t doing that though he blatantly drove straight into Russell. Max gave up at that point and wanted to retaliate

[ToffeeTyres]

Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional

"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.

Stewards don’t need that kind evidence for any of their rulings, this isn’t a trial.

By your measure, they didn’t know Schumacher was trying to take out Villeneuve in ‘97 or that Vettel was angryat Hamilton in ‘17. Everyone with racing experience looking at the incident knows it was intentional.

Max cannot be both the GOAT and barely better than Stroll at the same time. Own it, he can take it.

Well said

[vorticism]

Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional

"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.

Verstappen backed out with undeniable intention of letting Russell through. This was not a racing situation where two guys were competing for the corner legitimately. The part of the rulebook you're referencing is not at all relevant.

Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional

"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.

Max wasn’t doing that though he blatantly drove straight into Russell. Max gave up at that point and wanted to retaliate

Max did that move in anger frustration and to retaliate. He was slowing down to let Russsell through but the red mist took over and intentionally rammed him. Did Max try take the corner? No he didn’t even turn the steering wheel he went straight on. It was blatantly intentional

"Hims was angery" is not acceptable as evidence. Your issue is with the stewards and their Guidebook. Max was ahead at the apex in 2025, therefor the corner was his George must give space or risk being pushed off or contacted. Those aren't my rules I just made up, they're their rules they just made up.

If Verstappen was ahead at the apex, why was he behind Russell until after the impact? Russell's onboard is extremely clear.

Guys, guys. Look at the overhead footage. Ahead. At the apex. I'm not a steward, take it up with them and their Guidebook. While you are at it, ask them why they do not adhere to it.

[Hoffman900]

Guys, guys. Look at the overhead footage. Ahead. At the apex. I'm not a steward, take it up with them and their Guidebook. While you are at it, ask them why they do not adhere to it.

Did you look at the rest of the rule book or just quoting a single excuse you saw on X
to justify it?

[ToffeeTyres]

Guys, guys. Look at the overhead footage. Ahead. At the apex. I'm not a steward, take it up with them and their Guidebook. While you are at it, ask them why they do not adhere to it.

Did you look at the rest of the rule book or just quoting a single excuse you saw on X
to justify it?

This!

[Sevach]

It's crazy how much Verstappen has a huuuuuge blind spot on what is done to him vs what he does to the others.

Charles gives him a slight bump, it drives him mad, he just goes beserk... he talked about this like it was the dirtiest move any driver has ever done.
Russell does kinda of a dive bomb on him(much tamer than what he has done to others), take a huge side swipe.

When he's being the agressor he's calm and almost logical about it, "i was ahead at the apex".

[Wynters]

Guys, guys. Look at the overhead footage. Ahead. At the apex. I'm not a steward, take it up with them and their Guidebook. While you are at it, ask them why they do not adhere to it.

Unfortunately, the overhead footage does show Verstappen is behind until after the impact. It's important to note that being on the inside, while placing Verstappen closer to the corner, doesn't mean he's ahead. Bring ahead at the apex is dependent on front axle, and the overhead clearly shows Verstappen is behind.

[zeph]

Penalty was 100% deserved, and Verstappen is lucky to get away with only 10s added.

I guess technically it should be a 10s stop-and-go, but with only few laps remaining that was not realistic. And in the context of the race I'm okay with this penalty. He's one point away from a race ban, and looked like a rookie hothead idiot for the whole world to see.

[zeph]

In other news, I think Lawson was impressively clumsy. He needs to tidy up a lot.

[selvam_e2002]

Is RB deliberately requested Lawson to slow down after Max had an incident with Russel? Max may get 10 seconds penalty after the incident. If Lawson did not slow down Max may be out of point.