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[deadhead]

Crazy.

The McLaren just brings these tires up to perfect temp window faster/easier?

Lots of chatter about something being wrong with LEC's car

[DJ Downforce]

Ham's first stint was horrendous on the used softs. He was catching up to Lec in the second: was this a case of different tyre usage or leclerc's issues? What problems did Ham have?

[ringo]

I think it's quite worrying that Ferrari ran so low but failed to replicate Chinese sprint performance ?

I do wonder. Charles said the setup was extreme. This sounds like some workaround to bring the car lower and get it to work without grinding off the plank. It may have been a compromise to the China setup.

[ringo]

Ham's first stint was horrendous on the used softs. He was catching up to Lec in the second: was this a case of different tyre usage or leclerc's issues? What problems did Ham have?

I think Leclerc was pushing too hard at the start. He was actually closing on Norris.

[Sevach]

Leclerc was slower than Lewis on his last medium stint, all while having gained like 14 seconds on him before that. So whatever Leclerc was dealing with seems to have hit him much earlier than anything Lewis dealt with.

Leclerc third stint was bad, he was getting caught by Russell and Hamilton was also gaining on him...
They were on softs vs medium.

[Xyz22]

I rewatched the entire race and i think i got a decent understanding of what limited Ferrari yesterday.

1 - Higher rear tyre wear compared to some of the competition: you can see Leclerc hitting a massive cliff in both stint 1 and stint 2 where the car just start sliding all over the place due to the rear tyre being completely gone. Hamilton last stint (before SC) you can see his times going up quite quickly after 5 laps (from low/mid 1.18 to 19.3 and saying to Adami that his rears were starting to go already)

2 - Lack of competitiveness with low fuel where the driver couldn't push at all, probably related to excessive plank wear fear

[Sergej]

Why Ferrari had bad degradation ? They never had so far this season ?

[Vanja #66]

LEC definitely pushed too hard in early 2nd stint

[Xyz22]

LEC definitely pushed too hard in early 2nd stint

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gsbyk1KWEAE ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GsbymdJWwAA ... ame=medium

Yep which usually doesn't happen. I think they didn't expect so much tyre wear on the medium.

[deadhead]

https://autoracer.it/it/vasseur-barcell ... ta-ferrari

"If we see the gaps to McLaren in the race anyway, we're not that far away, but we have to keep pushing."

am I missing something here?

[Seanspeed]

https://autoracer.it/it/vasseur-barcell ... ta-ferrari

"If we see the gaps to McLaren in the race anyway, we're not that far away, but we have to keep pushing."

am I missing something here?

I feel like when the car is in its most optimal state and in the optimal conditions, the Ferrari is probably within a few tenths of Mclaren in race pace. But that's still a long way off in reality, and worse is that Mclaren's advantage only grows in basically any other situation because their car has like three times the working window of anybody else on the grid so basically never has any situation where they struggle.

[ringo]

So Hamilton had floor damage and the second problem is the team adjusted his front wing at one of the pit stops without consulting with him. That threw things off.
They still have to work on trusting each other.
Maybe the data is showing an adjustment is needed because the car's balance is poorer when the fuel burns down. If it's a standard thing, maybe ask how many clicks he needs first.
Note: I cannot verify the source. Saw this news on another site.

[Space-heat]

Does any one have any detail on the change to the FW the FIA required?

[AR3-GP]

LEC definitely pushed too hard in early 2nd stint

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gsbyk1KWEAE ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GsbymdJWwAA ... ame=medium

I think it is an oversimplification to simply say someone had deg because they "pushed too hard". The car itself influences the degradation. If everyone would have Mclaren degradation by just "pushing less", then Mclaren wouldn't have the advantage that they have. Also what good is "pushing less", when you are going so slow that you are not competing for anything? Leclerc was trying to beat Verstappen to the final podium position, that's why he pushed. The degradation doesn't matter as much as the average laptime over the stint. Russell "didn't push". What did he do in the stint? He lost another 5 seconds to Leclerc.What good is not pushing?

In any case, Russell's out lap in the 2nd stint was 2 seconds faster than Leclerc's outlap. Russell's 2nd lap of the medium stint was 1 second faster than Leclerc's 2nd lap of the same stint. It cannot be accounted for by fuel load. Leclerc did not "push too hard" in the introduction of the tire. He was slower and his overall stint time was faster since he grew the gap to Russell. Pushing was not a bad thing.

You also criticized Verstappen for "pushing too hard"... He made 3 pitstops. Was he supposed to sit back and manage? Because of his "push", he nearly undercut Lando Norris. What purpose would it have been to save the tires? So he can wait for Lando Norris to pit, get fresher tires, and have a gap before VER attempts to mount a miracle challenge from behind on 7 lap older tires in a slower car? Rubbish.

[deadhead]

The tire management situation in F1 is a very delicate subject and I can’t tell if it’s always been like this or this is just exaggerated now?

Were they pushing flat out with the Michelins?