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[dialtone]

On average they have been the best. Moreover the only other option was to stay out with very worn softs or putting another set with a lot of laps done + multiple starts procedure (used on installation laps). They were in a very difficult situation due to the 3 stop strategy. We don't know would have happened if Max didn't pit.

Still disagree even on average and the fact that Ferrari has pit stops 1-6 in the top 10 shows a glimpse of how that’s also not true.

But I’ll look for this degree of understanding of a difficult situation next time you discuss Ferrari performance. Then this isn’t Ferrari thread so, I’m good.

[toraabe]

Leclerc collision
https://i.postimg.cc/prBwJxWD/LEC-collision.gif



Russell collision
https://i.postimg.cc/ZqCJY9TX/Rus-Spain-Collision.gif

Max didn't do anything wrong in these 2 moments. Lec hit him, then Russell hit him in T1.

Actually Russel did Exactly the same as Max has done to several others and got away every time.. At least after Max cooled down...https://f1i.com/news/540720-verstappen- ... right.html

[AR3-GP]

That save on the restart was ridiculous.

Was it really, by the way? Because of the speed or something?

He was hopeless on those tires and it was a big slide. Not many drivers catch something like this. Lando Norris had two big accidents in a similar fashion (Jeddah '25 qualy, Las Vegas '23 race). I'm blanking on the last time that max crashed (was it Jeddah '21 qualy?). It's not for lack of the car being crazy. Should have crashed 5 times on Friday in Imola. The rear was nowhere that day and I saw some big saves exiting Rivazza and Piratella.

[mwillems]

You can see he'd have a good time in rally car.

But ultimately that happened because he was pushing beyond its limits, which you can understand to a degree because he needed the pace to be there but it wasnt going to be on those white walled tyres at the restart.

You might call that the "cold hard" truth

[Seanspeed]

I think what makes the save most impressive isn't necessarily that he didn't spin out and crash, it's moreso that he limited the damage enough to still be half competitive down the straight. Obviously Leclerc was 100% going to pass him, but Verstappen still seemed to keep his foot down to where he minimized the damage as much as conceivably possible. He's absolutely got that Senna/Schumacher blood in him with just an endless reserve of determinism. And like those guys - absolutely to a fault at times, as we saw half a lap later.

[F1Sara]

That save on the restart was ridiculous.

Was it really, by the way? Because of the speed or something?

He was hopeless on those tires and it was a big slide. Not many drivers catch something like this. Lando Norris had two big accidents in a similar fashion (Jeddah '25 qualy, Las Vegas '23 race). I'm blanking on the last time that max crashed (was it Jeddah '21 qualy?). It's not for lack of the car being crazy. Should have crashed 5 times on Friday in Imola. The rear was nowhere that day and I saw some big saves exiting Rivazza and Piratella.

https://i.postimg.cc/fymdDFNZ/Spain-restart-2.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/jdy6bWxN/Spain-Restart.gif

Thanks for sharing, what a carcontrole

[ringo]

If it were stroll that lost control like Max did, it would be that the driver ran out of talent not grip.
It's amazing how the tyres are being blamed for a driver error. If it were raining, sure, slippery and unpredictable conditions. But a slide on a dry track because he probably placed the car on the white paint line. Come on fellas.

Anyhow I think it's a race to forget for Redbull. Yuki was nowhere and they only got 1 point. The car will go better in Montreal. Redbull can have a better top speed and cornering compromise than McLaren. Max could win there realistically.

[avantman]

That save on the restart was ridiculous.

Was it really, by the way? Because of the speed or something?

He was hopeless on those tires and it was a big slide. Not many drivers catch something like this. Lando Norris had two big accidents in a similar fashion (Jeddah '25 qualy, Las Vegas '23 race). I'm blanking on the last time that max crashed (was it Jeddah '21 qualy?). It's not for lack of the car being crazy. Should have crashed 5 times on Friday in Imola. The rear was nowhere that day and I saw some big saves exiting Rivazza and Piratella.

https://i.postimg.cc/fymdDFNZ/Spain-restart-2.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/jdy6bWxN/Spain-Restart.gif

Wow, crazy. And the craziest part is that happened at around 250-270kph

Alonso made a very impressive save out of the last corner on the kerb as well in Quali in China last year(where Sainz spun having same snap), but that happened on soft at around 170kph at most.
And another good one was Abu Dhabi last year where Max was much more sideways, but that was again at incomparably lower speed which makes it much easier to save.
Thanks for all the clips you make.
P.S. Leclerc, lucky bastard! Got into the best seat in the theatre again.

[FittingMechanics]

Getting a snap is a mistake where he misjudged the amount of grip on that part of the track with the tires he had.
Save was great, agreed.

But the first mistake lost him a position to Leclerc and caused a cascading chain of events that left him in P10.

It's not often we see Max bottle it.

[avantman]

Getting a snap is a mistake where he misjudged the amount of grip on that part of the track with the tires he had.
Save was great, agreed.

But the first mistake lost him a position to Leclerc and caused a cascading chain of events that left him in P10.

It's not often we see Max bottle it.

You couldn’t imagine guys how ludicrous those kind of comments are…

[FNTC]

He had to push those useless tires to the max in the last corner on the restart or Leclerc would have blown past and maybe Russell too. So not much lost by the snap. If he was slower and not snapping, still a sitting duck.

[FittingMechanics]

You couldn’t imagine guys how ludicrous those kind of comments are…

Snap is a mistake. He asked too much grip of that hard tire. To his credit, he saved it really well, defended well down the straight and would have likely kept P4 without team instructing him to let Russell through.

Are we not allowed to say Max makes mistakes?

[BMMR61]

Anyone capable of objectivity would admit freely that Max is the current best of the crop. He unseated Lewis who has never had that last 1% that is being confident you're the top dog. Max knows that Oscar is his real threat, and I mean that not just in terms of 2025. And for fans, thank goodness because another five years of total domination by Max wouldn't be that great. Yeah I know there are Lewis fans rooting for him to win #8 but...... yawn.

We don't know if Max has even reached his performance ceiling yet, Oscar with 8 years less certainly hasn't. There's mutual respect and I'm not one to keep up the Max-is-a-villain tropes, it's just tiring, I celebrate his greatness and welcome his next rival. Buckle in, 2025 is not done and dated yet and you should never discount Max. Even with a car that isn't the quickest. He needs to keep it clean, not just in Canada and Austria, but for the season if he is to have a chance of stopping the papaya train.

[BMMR61]

You couldn’t imagine guys how ludicrous those kind of comments are…

Snap is a mistake. He asked too much grip of that hard tire. To his credit, he saved it really well, defended well down the straight and would have likely kept P4 without team instructing him to let Russell through.

Are we not allowed to say Max makes mistakes?

It was internet suicide to say that of Sir Lewis Who Could Do No Wrong a few years ago! The team cost Max, plain and simple, they did have a better option. To stay out on the used soft. Make the McLaren guys work for it. The hard tyre was known to be "useless". They got the call on the Russell pass wrong too, there's a clause in the regs about overtaking "while being in control". George wasn't.

[FittingMechanics]

It was internet suicide to say that of Sir Lewis Who Could Do No Wrong a few years ago! The team cost Max, plain and simple, they did have a better option. To stay out on the used soft. Make the McLaren guys work for it. The hard tyre was known to be "useless". They got the call on the Russell pass wrong too, there's a clause in the regs about overtaking "while being in control". George wasn't.

Max wanted to pit but he obviously didn't know they'd put him on Hards. I agree that the team (and Max) made mistakes. I'm quite surprised they didn't try to hold onto the lead, I know his tires were old but he does know how to defend very hard. Who knows whether he could have forced Norris to overtake off track for couple of laps and then lose the tires.