2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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ScuderiaLeo
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That seems way too good to be true. I'd be more worried than excited if that was the case LOL.

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It is possible to come so soon.
Best the suffering ends as soon as possible. The quicker it happens the sooner they can focus on 2026.
For Sure!!

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ringo wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 20:42
It is possible to come so soon.
Best the suffering ends as soon as possible. The quicker it happens the sooner they can focus on 2026.
It will also give the engineers some confidence going into the new regs. I'm sure the problems this season have led to some demoralisation within the organisation - whether it was the result of someone who left or not

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There's really only one criteria .... the ability to answer this question fully with their design. If not, it's likely next years design will also come into the same difficulties.

This team is really looking for competence in this area of mechanical design, howsoever that's achieved.

McL etc is not going to go away under new PU regs. Championship are born from understanding the fundamentals.

The performance is all, not the timing now.

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It looks like the error was a forced error, almost like a typo. Which is good, because other than that, there is nothing else they say they do not understand or need to investigate. I wonder how much performance will it bring?
Will this just make the car as good as RB21 and still be behind McLaren? :|
For Sure!!

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 19:04
That seems way too good to be true. I'd be more worried than excited if that was the case LOL.
Suppousedly they've detected the suspension not doing what was expected in the pre-season.
And at most on China they decided to stop trying to work around the flaws, a redesign was needed.

It's gonna be almost 3 months work, maybe more, on the suspension.

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DJ Downforce wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 18:48
Vanja #66 wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 17:31
What a joke of a reporter
Shhhh let us have some hope :cry: :cry:
The article is full out invented stories

Leclerc was happy that he sacrificed starting position after the race, article says otherwise

"SF-25 is considered a bad car in Maranello" - nonsense, the car is not what people in Maranello are dissilusioned about

"Ideas to improve and updates are scarce" - nonsense, they are holding back until they put new suspension on so that everything can work together

Nugnes is an absolute joke, the few things he gets right in the season are becoming fewer and fewer
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Vanja #66 wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 09:23
DJ Downforce wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 18:48
Vanja #66 wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 17:31
What a joke of a reporter
Shhhh let us have some hope :cry: :cry:
The article is full out invented stories

Leclerc was happy that he sacrificed starting position after the race, article says otherwise

"SF-25 is considered a bad car in Maranello" - nonsense, the car is not what people in Maranello are dissilusioned about

"Ideas to improve and updates are scarce" - nonsense, they are holding back until they put new suspension on so that everything can work together

Nugnes is an absolute joke, the few things he gets right in the season are becoming fewer and fewer
His reputation is falling by the day, I’m surprised that people still talk about his articles, when it is clear that it has become fully clickbait.

With his articles, he has also joined the toxic Italian media which put Ferrari under unnecessary pressure, no surprise that the good old Fred has now a habit of talking BS to them as you do to idiots.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 09:23
DJ Downforce wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 18:48
Vanja #66 wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 17:31
What a joke of a reporter
Shhhh let us have some hope :cry: :cry:
The article is full out invented stories

Leclerc was happy that he sacrificed starting position after the race, article says otherwise

"SF-25 is considered a bad car in Maranello" - nonsense, the car is not what people in Maranello are dissilusioned about

"Ideas to improve and updates are scarce" - nonsense, they are holding back until they put new suspension on so that everything can work together

Nugnes is an absolute joke, the few things he gets right in the season are becoming fewer and fewer
I do remember him talking some nonsense about Mercedes' 2024 car during the pre season.

Do you have your own sources which are also proving that he's posting nonsense?

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From what i am hearing on the italian ferrari F1 forum (where people allegedly (?) know people near Marenello -take it with a pinch of salt), they are actually really happy with most of the car concepts. As Vanja said in his X tweets the car is suffering from rear suspension/ride height but fundamentally if they fix that they can be quick. The car isn't a no-hoper and useless as people are saying. It has good ideas all around the car. This is what the engineers think the PANIC seems to be the press making scare stories like "Fred is in danger being sacked, loic serra is going to be fired etc etc" its nothing like that. The F1 team is working on a solution which they are confident will fix most of the issue and they be up there with RB/Mcl by Silverstone. There isn;t much panic at the factory people are saying on the italian scuderia F1 forum. So don;t believe the press and hype. Lewis was in the factory this week and worked through set-ups for canada.

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DoctorRadio wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 09:49
His reputation is falling by the day, I’m surprised that people still talk about his articles, when it is clear that it has become fully clickbait.
As director and chief editor of Motorsport Italy, you'd expect him to focus on facts and clear insight... #-o

DJ Downforce wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 11:12
I do remember him talking some nonsense about Mercedes' 2024 car during the pre season.

Do you have your own sources which are also proving that he's posting nonsense?
You just need to read Auto Racer IT to understand how much nonsense Nugnes is spewing. In the last 24 months, he was only right about small change to SF24 floor in Hungary and then proceeded to make a claim of big updates to come in Zandvoort which came in Monza.
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Vanja #66 wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 13:14
DoctorRadio wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 09:49
His reputation is falling by the day, I’m surprised that people still talk about his articles, when it is clear that it has become fully clickbait.
As director and chief editor of Motorsport Italy, you'd expect him to focus on facts and clear insight... #-o
Oh no Vanja, it is a shame that it is the opposite of what it should be; fortunately we have the guys of Autoracer and some twitter accounts like yours, and we are all right with all the info we need to know ;)

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Sevach wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 07:36
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 19:04
That seems way too good to be true. I'd be more worried than excited if that was the case LOL.
Suppousedly they've detected the suspension not doing what was expected in the pre-season.
And at most on China they decided to stop trying to work around the flaws, a redesign was needed.

It's gonna be almost 3 months work, maybe more, on the suspension.
If this is indeed the case one has to wonder why not communicate the issue to their fanbase instead of this silly PR dance for 9 races now which comes across as rather insulting..

"We have a major issue with the suspension and it will take 4 months to fix it."

Simple.

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deadhead wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 16:05
Sevach wrote:
07 Jun 2025, 07:36
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
06 Jun 2025, 19:04
That seems way too good to be true. I'd be more worried than excited if that was the case LOL.
Suppousedly they've detected the suspension not doing what was expected in the pre-season.
And at most on China they decided to stop trying to work around the flaws, a redesign was needed.

It's gonna be almost 3 months work, maybe more, on the suspension.
If this is indeed the case one has to wonder why not communicate the issue to their fanbase instead of this silly PR dance for 9 races now which comes across as rather insulting..

"We have a major issue with the suspension and it will take 4 months to fix it."

Simple.
It would be very stupid to do it if they are not sure they are going to fix it.
For all we know, the car might have more flaws and the rear suspension can’t solve all of them.
I think they will be quick, but imagine Fred does what you say and then Mclaren still wins comfortably; he would look like a fool, would not he?
He is in a very delicate position, to not trash the team in public and at the same time to not raise too high expectations.

He knows better than any of us how it needs to be communicated and how to run a F1 team.

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https://f1-motorsports-gp.com/ferrari/sf-25-floor-ana/

"From around 2024, images of the floor bottom will not be available extremely.

In the first place, there are few crashes, and it seems that the introduction of a cover that hides the floor, which is an important secret, and the decrease in the number of photographers.

In the meantime, let's take a look at the floor of the Ferrari SF-25 that was hoisted by the Monaco crane.

A line is drawn in the part of the tunnel where the angle changes.

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(1) Kick point near the entrance
(2) Kick point immediately after the edge diffuser behind the fence
(3) Kick point where the rear diffuser begins in earnest
(2) and (3) seem to be at the same height, but I feel that (2) is closer to the road surface.



You can see that (2) has a complicated serving shape. It is probably being redesigned in an update.

Problems at the start of Ferrari's season

-High-speed bottoming

When driving at the expected vehicle height, the bottoming did not stop, and the vehicle height had to be raised. (Negative pressure increased too much)

The time slows down because the expected negative pressure is not obtained, and although it has been updated, it is far from a fundamental solution.


Floor of SF24

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Compared to the floor of the SF-24, you can see that the 25 is an updated version of this.

Ferrari's floor tunnel is based on the idea of making the maximum negative pressure generation point at the center of the car, which has not changed since 2022.


McLaren 2024 MCL38 floor
This is the floor of Miami when McLaren is faster in 2024.

This year, the basic concept should remain the same.

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While the Ferrari is positioned at the front of the floor and immediately approaches the road, the McLaren has a gentle slope towards the rear kick point.

The inside of the tunnel is an inner groove, which contrasts with the Ferrari with the outer groove.



This concept has been brushed up from the Red Bull RB18 and has now been updated to a design that surpasses the original and boasts unbeatable strength.

Summary

In the first place, why is it better to have a kick point (a place where the angle changes as it is closer to the road surface) at the back?

This is because it is easy to adjust the negative pressure of the kick point by adjusting the rear vehicle height.

It is easy to take into account the ride height that decreases due to the downforce of the rear wing, so there is an advantage in terms of settings.



In the case of Ferrari, there is a maximum negative pressure generation point in the center of the car, which must be adjusted according to the front and rear ride heights, which is very difficult to set up.

It can be assumed that the reason why Hamilton cannot run fast is because he is suffering from this downforce balance."


SOURCE: https://f1-motorsports-gp.com/ferrari/sf-25-floor-ana/