redbull don't always have equal cars so its hard to judge. They had overheating problem in Bahrain on both cars, they only had that problems on yuki car in spain so you can infer that he didn't have the updates from imola that address that problempantherxxx wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025, 15:39Yes I can. Red Bull is extremely fortunate to have Verstappen, because without him, the team’s performance would drop straight into midfield territory. That’s not an insult to the team, it’s a reality check.gh0stadian wrote: ↑05 Jun 2025, 14:57What are you talking about. You can`t just exclude points from one driver and count only other driver points as a teams points![]()
. Same could be said about Aston Martin, without stroll, AMR would have 1 point. 0 before spain.
Here we go again...Matt-A wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 12:59This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.
Max is the only one right now saving Red Bull from utter embarrassment - just imagine where'd they'd be without him currently... maybe if he does end up getting banned for a race we'll actually get a snapshot of what Red Bull without Max would look like....Matt-A wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 12:59This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.
That's a very key word. No one really knows. He would be nobody without Red Bull and Newey if we go back to the start of their relationship. But, if we go back to start of 2023, (because 2022 was a new concept his input would not have mattered much for 2022) if he had a role to play for the development direction.. he and the team's responsibility cannot be separated. The 2024 car may have been a better car if Perez was the #1 driver. The irony is Max's unique talent created the current "embarrassment" in 2025. They would have been in a better position with a less alien car for more normal drivers. It all depends on where we plug Max out of the Red Bull equation. If we plug him out in 2025, yes for sure they would be looked at like a midfield team. But plug him out at the time when Perez could be champion... and the subsequent cars develop in Perez's direction and Red bull wins constructors in 2024 with a more normal car that a Perez can drive to victory and the 2025 car is more manageable and Lawson and Yuki are able to get performance out of it.ali623 wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 14:13Max is the only one right now saving Red Bull from utter embarrassment - just imagine where'd they'd be without him currently... maybe if he does end up getting banned for a race we'll actually get a snapshot of what Red Bull without Max would look like....Matt-A wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 12:59This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.
The irony is Max's unique talent created the current "embarrassment" in 2025ringo wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 20:38That's a very key word. No one really knows. He would be nobody without Red Bull and Newey if we go back to the start of their relationship. But, if we go back to start of 2023, (because 2022 was a new concept his input would not have mattered much for 2022) if he had a role to play for the development direction.. he and the team's responsibility cannot be separated. The 2024 car may have been a better car if Perez was the #1 driver. The irony is Max's unique talent created the current "embarrassment" in 2025. They would have been in a better position with a less alien car for more normal drivers. It all depends on where we plug Max out of the Red Bull equation. If we plug him out in 2025, yes for sure they would be looked at like a midfield team. But plug him out at the time when Perez could be champion... and the subsequent cars develop in Perez's direction and Red bull wins constructors in 2024 with a more normal car that a Perez can drive to victory and the 2025 car is more manageable and Lawson and Yuki are able to get performance out of it.ali623 wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 14:13Max is the only one right now saving Red Bull from utter embarrassment - just imagine where'd they'd be without him currently... maybe if he does end up getting banned for a race we'll actually get a snapshot of what Red Bull without Max would look like....Matt-A wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 12:59This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.![]()
You have a really peculiar reality distortion view on the world .. it's kinda fascinating.ringo wrote: ↑06 Jun 2025, 20:38It all depends on where we plug Max out of the Red Bull equation. If we plug him out in 2025, yes for sure they would be looked at like a midfield team. But plug him out at the time when Perez could be champion... and the subsequent cars develop in Perez's direction and Red bull wins constructors in 2024 with a more normal car that a Perez can drive to victory and the 2025 car is more manageable and Lawson and Yuki are able to get performance out of it.![]()
Imagine that briefing if Ferrari decides to go all in with Leclerc?
Haha. Then he just moves to Aston Martin or Red Bull. He can't lose at this stage.
No. But I hope and fear everyone will do his best. I mean...it was never that clear, that a driver needs to avoid any penalty. With the current rules of "who is ahead"...they can just go for any dive. Ver brought himself in a very bad position when it comes to any wheel to wheel for the next race.
Don't even joke about those thingsFarnborough wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025, 22:08The brutal reality is, that there's only three drivers currently capable of bring either or WDC / WCC if we talk in definitive development terms.
Lando, Oscar & Max are the only ones "proven" to develop, lead and aquire championships .... defined by those fully recorded successful campaigns so far from 2022 within this rules set.