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[Sergej]

If Max gets a ban he is out of the title fight (well, he is already but still), so why bother about PU components ?

He is still in the fight with 49 points gap.
Lando was over 60 points behind last year and there was still some hope up to the last 3 races or so i think.
If i were Mercedes, I would frustrate Max into another penalty point. That would allow Russell to catch up a little more.
So Red Bull really need to get it through Max's head that he needs to keep his emotions under control if he has to race the others wheel to wheel.

Except that Lando last year had the faster car for 2 thirds of the season to try to close the gap Max had opened in the first third. This year they have a dominant car from the start and only some cold races and inconsistency from the drivers made it look closer than what it is. But let's not fool our(your)selves, there's no title fight, we are entering the "hot leg" of the championship, by the end of the summer Max will be like 100 points behind, and everyone will switch 100% on 2026 projects.

[avantman]

If Max gets a ban he is out of the title fight (well, he is already but still), so why bother about PU components ?

He is still in the fight with 49 points gap.
Lando was over 60 points behind last year and there was still some hope up to the last 3 races or so i think.
If i were Mercedes, I would frustrate Max into another penalty point. That would allow Russell to catch up a little more.
So Red Bull really need to get it through Max's head that he needs to keep his emotions under control if he has to race the others wheel to wheel.

Except that Lando last year had the faster car for 2 thirds of the season to try to close the gap Max had opened in the first third. This year they have a dominant car from the start and only some cold races and inconsistency from the drivers made it look closer than what it is. But let's not fool our(your)selves, there's no title fight, we are entering the "hot leg" of the championship, by the end of the summer Max will be like 100 points behind, and everyone will switch 100% on 2026 projects.

Except that not everybody considers Mcalren to be dominant, some knowledgeable fans say red bull is just as fast only lacking that final mechanical upgrade to address their excessive tire wear.

[Matt-A]

This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.

[Bill]

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What are you talking about. You can`t just exclude points from one driver and count only other driver points as a teams points . Same could be said about Aston Martin, without stroll, AMR would have 1 point. 0 before spain.

Yes I can. Red Bull is extremely fortunate to have Verstappen, because without him, the team’s performance would drop straight into midfield territory. That’s not an insult to the team, it’s a reality check.

redbull don't always have equal cars so its hard to judge. They had overheating problem in Bahrain on both cars, they only had that problems on yuki car in spain so you can infer that he didn't have the updates from imola that address that problem

[avantman]

This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.

Here we go again...
So, Lando was right after all. It's not that Mclaren is faster, their drivers are just better.

[ali623]

This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.

Max is the only one right now saving Red Bull from utter embarrassment - just imagine where'd they'd be without him currently... maybe if he does end up getting banned for a race we'll actually get a snapshot of what Red Bull without Max would look like....

[ringo]

This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.

Max is the only one right now saving Red Bull from utter embarrassment - just imagine where'd they'd be without him currently... maybe if he does end up getting banned for a race we'll actually get a snapshot of what Red Bull without Max would look like....

That's a very key word. No one really knows. He would be nobody without Red Bull and Newey if we go back to the start of their relationship. But, if we go back to start of 2023, (because 2022 was a new concept his input would not have mattered much for 2022) if he had a role to play for the development direction.. he and the team's responsibility cannot be separated. The 2024 car may have been a better car if Perez was the #1 driver. The irony is Max's unique talent created the current "embarrassment" in 2025. They would have been in a better position with a less alien car for more normal drivers. It all depends on where we plug Max out of the Red Bull equation. If we plug him out in 2025, yes for sure they would be looked at like a midfield team. But plug him out at the time when Perez could be champion... and the subsequent cars develop in Perez's direction and Red bull wins constructors in 2024 with a more normal car that a Perez can drive to victory and the 2025 car is more manageable and Lawson and Yuki are able to get performance out of it.

[Bill]

This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.

Max is the only one right now saving Red Bull from utter embarrassment - just imagine where'd they'd be without him currently... maybe if he does end up getting banned for a race we'll actually get a snapshot of what Red Bull without Max would look like....

That's a very key word. No one really knows. He would be nobody without Red Bull and Newey if we go back to the start of their relationship. But, if we go back to start of 2023, (because 2022 was a new concept his input would not have mattered much for 2022) if he had a role to play for the development direction.. he and the team's responsibility cannot be separated. The 2024 car may have been a better car if Perez was the #1 driver. The irony is Max's unique talent created the current "embarrassment" in 2025. They would have been in a better position with a less alien car for more normal drivers. It all depends on where we plug Max out of the Red Bull equation. If we plug him out in 2025, yes for sure they would be looked at like a midfield team. But plug him out at the time when Perez could be champion... and the subsequent cars develop in Perez's direction and Red bull wins constructors in 2024 with a more normal car that a Perez can drive to victory and the 2025 car is more manageable and Lawson and Yuki are able to get performance out of it.

The irony is Max's unique talent created the current "embarrassment" in 2025
No they are in these current state because they never listened to both drivers.Max never asked them to shut down the other guy.

[langedweil]

It all depends on where we plug Max out of the Red Bull equation. If we plug him out in 2025, yes for sure they would be looked at like a midfield team. But plug him out at the time when Perez could be champion... and the subsequent cars develop in Perez's direction and Red bull wins constructors in 2024 with a more normal car that a Perez can drive to victory and the 2025 car is more manageable and Lawson and Yuki are able to get performance out of it.

You have a really peculiar reality distortion view on the world .. it's kinda fascinating.

[bigblue]

Article at the-race.com from a few days ago.

Tsunoda is taking part in a run in Red Bull's 2026 rules mule car (a modified version of the team’s 2023 RB19 design) for the second day of a Pirelli test aimed at developing tyres for next year's all-new regulations.

The Race has learned that he also had a day of Testing of Previous Car (TPC) running at Barcelona on Tuesday in the same RB19 to a different specification as Red Bull aimed to make the most of being at the venue.

[Henk_v]

If i were Mercedes, I would frustrate Max into another penalty point. That would allow Russell to catch up a little more.

Imagine that briefing if Ferrari decides to go all in with Leclerc?

"Hey Lewis, listen, here's the thing. Given the fact that you are currently useless, we looked at your resume and noticed a specific talent we're interested in...."

[ringo]

If i were Mercedes, I would frustrate Max into another penalty point. That would allow Russell to catch up a little more.

Imagine that briefing if Ferrari decides to go all in with Leclerc?

"Hey Lewis, listen, here's the thing. Given the fact that you are currently useless, we looked at your resume and noticed a specific talent we're interested in...."

Haha. Then he just moves to Aston Martin or Red Bull. He can't lose at this stage.

[Henk_v]

I'm not sure if your resume highlights the skill "getting on Max's nerves to get him penalty points" will get you in at Red Bull or Aston Martin. In fact, I think employing Max or Lewis might be mutually exclusive.

[basti313]

I'm not sure if your resume highlights the skill "getting on Max's nerves to get him penalty points" will get you in at Red Bull or Aston Martin. In fact, I think employing Max or Lewis might be mutually exclusive.

No. But I hope and fear everyone will do his best. I mean...it was never that clear, that a driver needs to avoid any penalty. With the current rules of "who is ahead"...they can just go for any dive. Ver brought himself in a very bad position when it comes to any wheel to wheel for the next race.

[Henk_v]

He did.

Better qualify first and dissapear.