2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Matt-A]

This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.

[Bill]

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What are you talking about. You can`t just exclude points from one driver and count only other driver points as a teams points . Same could be said about Aston Martin, without stroll, AMR would have 1 point. 0 before spain.

Yes I can. Red Bull is extremely fortunate to have Verstappen, because without him, the team’s performance would drop straight into midfield territory. That’s not an insult to the team, it’s a reality check.

redbull don't always have equal cars so its hard to judge. They had overheating problem in Bahrain on both cars, they only had that problems on yuki car in spain so you can infer that he didn't have the updates from imola that address that problem

[avantman]

This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.

Here we go again...
So, Lando was right after all. It's not that Mclaren is faster, their drivers are just better.

[ali623]

This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.

Max is the only one right now saving Red Bull from utter embarrassment - just imagine where'd they'd be without him currently... maybe if he does end up getting banned for a race we'll actually get a snapshot of what Red Bull without Max would look like....

[ringo]

This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.

Max is the only one right now saving Red Bull from utter embarrassment - just imagine where'd they'd be without him currently... maybe if he does end up getting banned for a race we'll actually get a snapshot of what Red Bull without Max would look like....

That's a very key word. No one really knows. He would be nobody without Red Bull and Newey if we go back to the start of their relationship. But, if we go back to start of 2023, (because 2022 was a new concept his input would not have mattered much for 2022) if he had a role to play for the development direction.. he and the team's responsibility cannot be separated. The 2024 car may have been a better car if Perez was the #1 driver. The irony is Max's unique talent created the current "embarrassment" in 2025. They would have been in a better position with a less alien car for more normal drivers. It all depends on where we plug Max out of the Red Bull equation. If we plug him out in 2025, yes for sure they would be looked at like a midfield team. But plug him out at the time when Perez could be champion... and the subsequent cars develop in Perez's direction and Red bull wins constructors in 2024 with a more normal car that a Perez can drive to victory and the 2025 car is more manageable and Lawson and Yuki are able to get performance out of it.

[Bill]

This Red Bull is very fast. Faster than the Mclaren in some circumstances. In my opinion I think Max's attitude is slowing him down. It also doesn't help that Red Bull have no decent second drivers that they can call upon. Every other front runner has two good drivers.

Max is the only one right now saving Red Bull from utter embarrassment - just imagine where'd they'd be without him currently... maybe if he does end up getting banned for a race we'll actually get a snapshot of what Red Bull without Max would look like....

That's a very key word. No one really knows. He would be nobody without Red Bull and Newey if we go back to the start of their relationship. But, if we go back to start of 2023, (because 2022 was a new concept his input would not have mattered much for 2022) if he had a role to play for the development direction.. he and the team's responsibility cannot be separated. The 2024 car may have been a better car if Perez was the #1 driver. The irony is Max's unique talent created the current "embarrassment" in 2025. They would have been in a better position with a less alien car for more normal drivers. It all depends on where we plug Max out of the Red Bull equation. If we plug him out in 2025, yes for sure they would be looked at like a midfield team. But plug him out at the time when Perez could be champion... and the subsequent cars develop in Perez's direction and Red bull wins constructors in 2024 with a more normal car that a Perez can drive to victory and the 2025 car is more manageable and Lawson and Yuki are able to get performance out of it.

The irony is Max's unique talent created the current "embarrassment" in 2025
No they are in these current state because they never listened to both drivers.Max never asked them to shut down the other guy.

[langedweil]

It all depends on where we plug Max out of the Red Bull equation. If we plug him out in 2025, yes for sure they would be looked at like a midfield team. But plug him out at the time when Perez could be champion... and the subsequent cars develop in Perez's direction and Red bull wins constructors in 2024 with a more normal car that a Perez can drive to victory and the 2025 car is more manageable and Lawson and Yuki are able to get performance out of it.

You have a really peculiar reality distortion view on the world .. it's kinda fascinating.

[bigblue]

Article at the-race.com from a few days ago.

Tsunoda is taking part in a run in Red Bull's 2026 rules mule car (a modified version of the team’s 2023 RB19 design) for the second day of a Pirelli test aimed at developing tyres for next year's all-new regulations.

The Race has learned that he also had a day of Testing of Previous Car (TPC) running at Barcelona on Tuesday in the same RB19 to a different specification as Red Bull aimed to make the most of being at the venue.

[Henk_v]

If i were Mercedes, I would frustrate Max into another penalty point. That would allow Russell to catch up a little more.

Imagine that briefing if Ferrari decides to go all in with Leclerc?

"Hey Lewis, listen, here's the thing. Given the fact that you are currently useless, we looked at your resume and noticed a specific talent we're interested in...."

[ringo]

If i were Mercedes, I would frustrate Max into another penalty point. That would allow Russell to catch up a little more.

Imagine that briefing if Ferrari decides to go all in with Leclerc?

"Hey Lewis, listen, here's the thing. Given the fact that you are currently useless, we looked at your resume and noticed a specific talent we're interested in...."

Haha. Then he just moves to Aston Martin or Red Bull. He can't lose at this stage.

[Henk_v]

I'm not sure if your resume highlights the skill "getting on Max's nerves to get him penalty points" will get you in at Red Bull or Aston Martin. In fact, I think employing Max or Lewis might be mutually exclusive.

[basti313]

I'm not sure if your resume highlights the skill "getting on Max's nerves to get him penalty points" will get you in at Red Bull or Aston Martin. In fact, I think employing Max or Lewis might be mutually exclusive.

No. But I hope and fear everyone will do his best. I mean...it was never that clear, that a driver needs to avoid any penalty. With the current rules of "who is ahead"...they can just go for any dive. Ver brought himself in a very bad position when it comes to any wheel to wheel for the next race.

[Henk_v]

He did.

Better qualify first and dissapear.

[Farnborough]

"The irony is Max's unique talent created the current "embarrassment" in 2025
No they are in these current state because they never listened to both drivers.Max never asked them to shut down the other guy"


The brutal reality is, that there's only three drivers currently capable of bring either or WDC / WCC if we talk in definitive development terms.

Lando, Oscar & Max are the only ones "proven" to develop, lead and aquire championships .... defined by those fully recorded successful campaigns so far from 2022 within this rules set.

To oppose that is just semantics, they have done the job set out for them in achieving these goals.

Absolutely none of the remaining contestants have done this, defacto in its illustration of them and their collective teams of designers, operational and organisational not succeeding.

It really does illustrate that to call this performance by those winning "failure" .. then how would someone define success ?

[Vanja #66]

The brutal reality is, that there's only three drivers currently capable of bring either or WDC / WCC if we talk in definitive development terms.

Lando, Oscar & Max are the only ones "proven" to develop, lead and aquire championships .... defined by those fully recorded successful campaigns so far from 2022 within this rules set.

Don't even joke about those things