WEC 2025

[emp]

Ferrari looked favorites on the long run pace. Also, feeling a little bad for Cadillac as they have a good one lap pace car but horrendous on race pace. Expected a little more from Peugeot and Alpine.

[Sevach]

Well deserved for Kubica, more than 10hrs inside the car.
Valiant effort by the Porsche #6

The "official" Ferrari cars under delivered a bit, but Le Mans always throws curve balls.

[dialtone]

Race over, congrats Ferrari #83, beautiful practically flawless race, 3 wins in a row for Ferrari.

Do not come here and tell me this was a BoP win:
* Porsche #6 had the exact same top speed as Ferrari #83, 345.6kph
* Only 1 SC that came out after Ferrari got a rain of penalties, and if I'm not mistaken the only penalty handed after after the SC was a 5s penalty for #50.
* Ferrari #50 couldn't pass the Porsche #6 on track.
* Toyota #8 broke down or they would have been right there as well with Porsche and Ferrari

9 cars finished on the leading lap, would have been 10 without the #8 issues, only 1 SC and not a 6 hour long one like last year. As predicted, the extra pitstops due to Stint Energy lost the race for #50 and #51 that had no new tires at the end while Porsche spent the last 2 hours of the race on a newer tire than #50 and #51. #83 took a much easier approach to the race that allowed them to pit one time less, also Ferrari #50 lost a set of tires due to puncture after only half a stint.

This was a good race overall, Ferrari certainly dominated but the BoP didn't have that much to do with it.

[SB15]

At least Porsche won in LMGT3. But good job to the #6 team, that last to 2nd was not easy and that DSQ did cost them. But it is what it is. Great job to them!

[Spacepace]

Driver of the day is Robert Kubica

[Spacepace]

Maybe that's all the Scuderia Ferrari F1 team needs is another team to run there car

[SB15]

Race over, congrats Ferrari #83, beautiful practically flawless race, 3 wins in a row for Ferrari.

Do not come here and tell me this was a BoP win:
* Porsche #6 had the exact same top speed as Ferrari #83, 345.6kph
* Only 1 SC that came out after Ferrari got a rain of penalties, and if I'm not mistaken the only penalty handed after after the SC was a 5s penalty for #50.
* Ferrari #50 couldn't pass the Porsche #6 on track.
* Toyota #8 broke down or they would have been right there as well with Porsche and Ferrari

9 cars finished on the leading lap, would have been 10 without the #8 issues, only 1 SC and not a 6 hour long one like last year. As predicted, the extra pitstops due to Stint Energy lost the race for #50 and #51 that had no new tires at the end while Porsche spent the last 2 hours of the race on a newer tire than #50 and #51. #83 took a much easier approach to the race that allowed them to pit one time less, also Ferrari #50 lost a set of tires due to puncture after only half a stint.

This was a good race overall, Ferrari certainly dominated but the BoP didn't have that much to do with it.

BoP is still bad regardless.

[Fakepivot]

Maybe that's all the Scuderia Ferrari F1 team needs is another team to run there car

or the bosses should just let the current team do their thing without coordinated media attack

[Spacepace]

Maybe that's all the Scuderia Ferrari F1 team needs is another team to run there car

or the bosses should just let the current team do their thing without coordinated media attack

Yeah like most giant sports teams they are usually toxic and run by sharks in it for themselves

[Sevach]

BoP is still bad regardless.

With things like cost cap being implemented even in F1, maybe it's time to look to something similar for WEC.
The spend-a-thon of the LMP1 era was unsustainable, but cost cap might do it.

Cost cap and homologated cars and kits.

BTW the #50(car in 4th place) has been DQed for a faulty rear wing, flexing waaaaay too much.

[dialtone]

BoP is still bad regardless.

With things like cost cap being implemented even in F1, maybe it's time to look to something similar for WEC.
The spend-a-thon of the LMP1 era was unsustainable, but cost cap might do it.

Cost cap and homologated cars and kits.

BTW the #50(car in 4th place) has been DQed for a faulty rear wing, flexing waaaaay too much.

Got DQed because 4 bolts that held the middle of the rear wing were lost in the race, and when you have a thin bar of carbon without support it flexes.

They were dealing with issues on both 50 and 51 at the end of the race.

[AR3-GP]

Got DQed because 4 bolts that held the middle of the rear wing were lost in the race, and when you have a thin bar of carbon without support it flexes.

and gave a measurable performance advantage which can be seen in the data.



From lap 366 to lap 387 during which the wing was bending, the 50 car never went below 340 km/h but once in 23 laps. This consistency was far above their level in all other parts of the race. I looked at the top speed data samples from the start and just after the safety car restart where they would have had the tow from multiple cars for consecutive laps. The top speed was never as good as the end of the race by a wide margin. According to my calculations, they gained on average +6 km/h on the straights. This is despite having engine problems and reduced power output. The advantage was enormous with that context...They had no choice but to disqualify the car.

[dialtone]

It got DQed, not sure why you are writing such a long reply, I’ve not said it’s unfair, just that it was damage, not by design.

[AR3-GP]

It's a technical forum. I thought it would be interesting to show how one can prove that it was a performance advantage, despite what Ferrari has claimed.

“The subsequent loss of the remaining bolts during the final 37 minutes of the race provided no advantage in terms of performance or the final standings.

“The top speed of the number 50 499P reported by the Stewards in their decision was recorded during the car’s final seven laps while it was running in the slipstream of its sister car, the number 51 499P.

“With full confidence in those same regulations, even though the incident in question offered no competitive advantage to the crew, nor did it compromise the safety of our drivers or that of other competitors, Ferrari is already at work ahead of the next rounds of a season that resumes under the global spotlight in July, in Brazil.”

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/fer ... ification/

[dialtone]

Toyota #8 did the whole race with broken sidepod, if that was putting the car underweight, would you have DQd them as well?