2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[deadhead]

It is hard to know if Vasseur's sacking is justified without knowing the internal dynamics.

If Newey was legitimately on the table, it would be catastrophic to, a year later, fire the TP who chose to forgo hiring Newey. Yikes.

My opinion is that Vassuer convinced them that they don’t need Newey and he probably had a nice list of A list engineers he wanted to hire from the UK but it slowly became clear than they very much needed Newey and very few on that A list actually want to work for Vassuer and move Italy.

The 2026 project is likely to be another failure due to so many people leaving because of Vassuer without anyone replacing them and having to fix the SF25 mess, which was created under Vassuer’s watch, instead of working on the 2026 car.

Having Adrian Newey on your side is a big deal in Formual 1, especially right before a whole new regulation cycle. Huge miss, and I think Vassuer is the main reason it didn’t happen, so now he will be shown the door.

I don’t really like him for this job so anyone else would be better than him as far as I’m concerned.

[Seanspeed]

Because Ferrari being an Italian team is a core part of their brand identity.

And because the vast majority of Ferrari's workforce are Italians who live in Italy.

Remember Ferrari has been here from the start, they aren't some relatively newer team who had options to base themselves elsewhere when they first came into the sport. There's a continuity there they cant simply upend. At most, maybe I could see them opening some cooperative design office in the UK, but the HQ and base of the team will obviously have to remain in Italy.

A base in the UK would be a good start. It would make them so much more attractive to engineers working in other teams as well as post-grads from the nearby universities.

I mean it seems pretty obvious they should really consider it. Nothing against Italians but I think there is a slight language barrier that makes things more difficult than they should be. Listening to AdamiI speak to Lewis, many times he answers wrong, which means he is misunderstanding the questions. I can only imagine that this problem also exists elsewhere in the team. Things get lost in translation and you end up with confusion and underperformance.

I feel like none of y'all read what I said at all.

You cant just upend 80 years of Ferrari being based in Italy to move their base to the UK. All those Italians living in Italy are NOT going to just say, "Ok I'll pack up and move my family to the UK". Ferrari would basically have to start from scratch to some degree, building up a team of non-Italians in their new HQ, and with absolutely ZERO assurance that such a brand new outfit would somehow be better than what they have now, where they've at least been quite consistently competitive. Remember, in 2018, they had a genuine title contending car. This isn't a team without hope. This isn't a team that simply CANNOT succeed without the 'superior Anglo mind' at the helm. smh

And if your problem is simply Lewis' race engineer, then asking them to move their whole HQ to England instead of just having a better English speaking race engineer is beyond extreme. lol That's exactly the kind of role that Ferrari need not worry about nationality about. Remember Rob Smedley? About as English as it gets. Either way, that whole 'race engineer' discussion stuff is boring to me. It's really not what is holding Ferrari back at the moment. It's also not what is holding Lewis back, either. Adami has had plenty of successful relationships with other English speaking drivers. If language was some big barrier, they wouldn't have kept him around.

[dia6olo]

Personally I feel this talk of Ferrari needing to move to Britain or in someway have some sort of base there to attract personnel is nonsense!
Ferrari's problem is not personnel and never has been, plenty of very smart F1 people have either been through Ferrari or even started at Ferrari!

For me Ferrari's problem is their inability as an organisation/team to get the best out of what they have, and not because they don't have quality people, it feels to me that it is happening because all the various different departments are on a leash including the people at the top of those various departments.

In essence for me it's got nothing to do with the quality of F1 people and managers at Ferrari, and it has everything to do with the various departments not having the freedom to be creative...

[Seanspeed]

What we're seeing here is nothing more than typical racist garbage, but more like 1910's style racism, when Italians were also considered inferior human beings.

Cant stress enough that Ferrari built a genuine title-capable car in 2018. We didn't win that title, but it wasn't because our base of operations weren't in the UK.

The ONLY reason to make any accommodations towards a UK office would be if we could get a truly game changer like Adrian Newey. And that would STILL not involve moving the whole HQ there.

[maxxer]

What we're seeing here is nothing more than typical racist garbage, but more like 1910's style racism, when Italians were also considered inferior human beings.

Cant stress enough that Ferrari built a genuine title-capable car in 2018. We didn't win that title, but it wasn't because our base of operations weren't in the UK.

The ONLY reason to make any accommodations towards a UK office would be if we could get a truly game changer like Adrian Newey. And that would STILL not involve moving the whole HQ there.

Well said , if Ferrari moves the whole operations to the UK i will quit watching F1.

[Chuckjr]

It is hard to know if Vasseur's sacking is justified without knowing the internal dynamics.

If Newey was legitimately on the table, it would be catastrophic to, a year later, fire the TP who chose to forgo hiring Newey. Yikes.

My opinion is that Vassuer convinced them that they don’t need Newey and he probably had a nice list of A list engineers he wanted to hire from the UK but it slowly became clear than they very much needed Newey and very few on that A list actually want to work for Vassuer and move Italy.

The 2026 project is likely to be another failure due to so many people leaving because of Vassuer without anyone replacing them and having to fix the SF25 mess, which was created under Vassuer’s watch, instead of working on the 2026 car.

Having Adrian Newey on your side is a big deal in Formual 1, especially right before a whole new regulation cycle. Huge miss, and I think Vassuer is the main reason it didn’t happen, so now he will be shown the door.

I don’t really like him for this job so anyone else would be better than him as far as I’m concerned.

Exactly. Exactly. The denial of the need for Newey from Fred and some fans is absolutely beyond comprehension. The best car can make even the worst of drivers look talented, and aero engineers are the key. I mean, look at Bottas. My god. Merc and their dominant car made even that pork chop look talented. Lol. Ferrari is so far over Fred's head and beyond his ability to lead it boggles the mind. Been saying this for forever. Smh.

[dia6olo]

It is hard to know if Vasseur's sacking is justified without knowing the internal dynamics.

If Newey was legitimately on the table, it would be catastrophic to, a year later, fire the TP who chose to forgo hiring Newey. Yikes.

My opinion is that Vassuer convinced them that they don’t need Newey and he probably had a nice list of A list engineers he wanted to hire from the UK but it slowly became clear than they very much needed Newey and very few on that A list actually want to work for Vassuer and move Italy.

The 2026 project is likely to be another failure due to so many people leaving because of Vassuer without anyone replacing them and having to fix the SF25 mess, which was created under Vassuer’s watch, instead of working on the 2026 car.

Having Adrian Newey on your side is a big deal in Formual 1, especially right before a whole new regulation cycle. Huge miss, and I think Vassuer is the main reason it didn’t happen, so now he will be shown the door.

I don’t really like him for this job so anyone else would be better than him as far as I’m concerned.

Exactly. Exactly. The denial of the need for Newey from Fred and some fans is absolutely beyond comprehension. The best car can make even the worst of drivers look talented, and aero engineers are the key. I mean, look at Bottas. My god. Merc and their dominant car made even that pork chop look talented. Lol. Ferrari is so far over Fred's head and beyond his ability to lead it boggles the mind. Been saying this for forever. Smh.

I on the other hand disagree, looking at it with rose tinted glasses makes Newey a no brainer, however, if one takes those rose tinted glasses off, the picture is very different, at least for me.

Newey is now in the twilight of his career and whether or not he would have made a difference at Ferrari, I suspect if he would have it would not have happened overnight, indeed I suspect it would have taken a good bit longer than many think, that coupled with his age paints a much a clearer picture.

It'll be interesting to see how he does at Austin Martin, I suspect he won't have the success many are anticipating...

[evered7]

It is hard to know if Vasseur's sacking is justified without knowing the internal dynamics.

It’s besides the point. Sack V because he’s not good.

V has been good. He fixed the SF-23. SF-24 started well but became disjointed. Fixed again to finish strongly, maybe even win WCC if a certain driver was more consistent.

SF-25 is a very new car. He should be given time if he can fix the problem he created.

Team hasn't come so close to a championship in so many years. Drivers believe him. At the end of the day, they bring the points.

Track operations have seen great improvement. If the car is upto pace, then great things can be achieved.

Keep V. V for victory.

[dialtone]

It is hard to know if Vasseur's sacking is justified without knowing the internal dynamics.

It’s besides the point. Sack V because he’s not good.

V has been good. He fixed the SF-23. SF-24 started well but became disjointed. Fixed again to finish strongly, maybe even win WCC if a certain driver was more consistent.

SF-25 is a very new car. He should be given time if he can fix the problem he created.

Team hasn't come so close to a championship in so many years. Drivers believe him. At the end of the day, they bring the points.

Track operations have seen great improvement. If the car is upto pace, then great things can be achieved.

Keep V. V for victory.

Mine was a concession more than a statement, as in “assume you sack V. Then what?”

[evered7]

It’s besides the point. Sack V because he’s not good.

V has been good. He fixed the SF-23. SF-24 started well but became disjointed. Fixed again to finish strongly, maybe even win WCC if a certain driver was more consistent.

SF-25 is a very new car. He should be given time if he can fix the problem he created.

Team hasn't come so close to a championship in so many years. Drivers believe him. At the end of the day, they bring the points.

Track operations have seen great improvement. If the car is upto pace, then great things can be achieved.

Keep V. V for victory.

Mine was a concession more than a statement, as in “assume you sack V. Then what?”

I got it from the rest of your post. Maybe I should've quoted more.

TP have come and gone. Maybe it's time to look beyond sacking TP especially when that move hasn't yielded the results Ferrari wanted.

I don't know how they only gave him a 3 year contract when new regulations were due in 2026. Anyway, hope they back him. Also hope he can fix the SF-25.

He's due a lucky break as well.

[deadhead]

I think if they manage to transform the SF25 into a race winning car they will probably renew his contract

[FW17]

It is hard to know if Vasseur's sacking is justified without knowing the internal dynamics.

It’s besides the point. Sack V because he’s not good.

V has been good. He fixed the SF-23. SF-24 started well but became disjointed. Fixed again to finish strongly, maybe even win WCC if a certain driver was more consistent.

SF-25 is a very new car. He should be given time if he can fix the problem he created.

Team hasn't come so close to a championship in so many years. Drivers believe him. At the end of the day, they bring the points.

Track operations have seen great improvement. If the car is upto pace, then great things can be achieved.

Keep V. V for victory.

Maranello engineers came up with the SF17, SF71h, SF175, all great cars of the last few years. Yes they could not keep the updates coming to keep that car in the front for the entire year, but they were not short of innovation or expertise.

Ferrari and drivers always have had spats on the radio, but they always move on without any bickering. Other than the team head, I have not seen anyone getting fired in the last few years either, so no blame culture.

[evered7]

It’s besides the point. Sack V because he’s not good.

V has been good. He fixed the SF-23. SF-24 started well but became disjointed. Fixed again to finish strongly, maybe even win WCC if a certain driver was more consistent.

SF-25 is a very new car. He should be given time if he can fix the problem he created.

Team hasn't come so close to a championship in so many years. Drivers believe him. At the end of the day, they bring the points.

Track operations have seen great improvement. If the car is upto pace, then great things can be achieved.

Keep V. V for victory.

Maranello engineers came up with the SF17, SF71h, SF175, all great cars of the last few years. Yes they could not keep the updates coming to keep that car in the front for the entire year, but they were not short of innovation or expertise.

Ferrari and drivers always have had spats on the radio, but they always move on without any bickering. Other than the team head, I have not seen anyone getting fired in the last few years either, so no blame culture.

Unfortunately winning a championship is a marathon not a sprint. Starting well is important but continuing to improve is needed.

Ferrari have failed on that many times until the recent years. 21 was good. 22 got neutered. 23, 24 was good too.

Fred should be a long term project if the folks are able to deliver under him. Ferrari have a problem similar to Alpine. Maybe an extreme take but constant chopping isn't going to make the tree grow.